Many pastors enter ministry to preach and shepherd, not manage spreadsheets—but good administration is deeply spiritual work. Matt Smethurst and Ligon Duncan talk with Jamie Dunlop (Capitol Hill Baptist Church) about how faithful administration protects unity, supports preaching, and strengthens trust in the church. They discuss deacons, elders, executive pastors, and practical ways to build systems that serve people, not just processes. Resources Mentioned: The Compelling Community by Mark Dever and Jamie Dunlop Love the Ones Who Drive You Crazy by Jamie Dunlop Budgeting for a Healthy Church by Jamie Dunlop Deacons by Matt Smethurst The Pastor and Counseling by Jeremy Pierre and Deepak Reju