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The Epstein–Barr Virus You’ve Never Heard Of
A big shout out for this one goes to Larua Aboli who I believe is the original author of what I am going to show you.
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What are the odds that Bill Barr and his father Donald Barr would have intricate ties to Jeffrey Epstein at nearly every critical point in his “career” — even continuing to the point where Bill Barr was Attorney General when Epstein allegedly killed himself and then Bill Barr immediately declared it a suicide and then told everyone to stop investigating it?
And then what are the odds that there would be virus literally called the “Epstein-Barr Virus” which often hides in plain sight but carries significant damage when it strikes?
Who named it that?
What are the odds?
But that’s just the surface level, it gets so much stranger the more you look!
Read this with full credit to Laura Aboli:
The Epstein–Barr Virus You’ve Never Heard Of
In 1973, Donald Barr — former OSS agent, elite educator, and father of Trump’s Attorney General Bill Barr — published a disturbing science fiction novel called ‘Space Relations: A Slightly Gothic Interplanetary Tale’.
The cover alone is unsettling; a nude young girl gazing through one eye, the all-seeing eye…
The story follows diplomat John Craig, who becomes enslaved on the planet Kossar, ruled by decadent aristocrats. Their boredom drives them to sexualize and brutalize human slaves, including children. The narrative explores themes of slavery, sadism, and contains disturbing scenes where Craig participates in coercive sex acts as part of elite rituals.
Now pause.
Donald Barr — the man who gave Jeffrey Epstein his first job at the elite Dalton School in NYC (despite Epstein having no qualifications), wrote a novel about child sex slavery in space, run by a ruling class of bored elites! And the planet’s name?
Kossar. What does that sound like…? Khazar.
Coincidence?
The Khazars were a powerful medieval empire based in what is now Ukraine. Historical accounts, echoed in works like Arthur Koestler’s “The Thirteenth Tribe, describe how the Khazar elite converted to Judaism in the 8th–9th century, not for faith, but rather for political survival.
According to a growing body of research, the Khazarian Mafia — a hidden bloodline network — never truly disappeared. Instead, it infiltrated global power structures: finance, media, intelligence, religion. A silent aristocracy operating behind the veil of nation-states and ideologies. Always hiding in plain sight.
So was Donald Barr just writing fiction? Or was he coding a revelation?
It’s is a recurring pattern: revelation through fiction. The occult belief amongst the elites is that if they show you what they do and you accept it as entertainment, the moral weight is transferred. They are absolved. We see this logic in:
• Eyes Wide Shut
• The Hunger Games
• Utopia (UK)
• The Most Dangerous Game
• Or even real-life elite rituals like Marina Abramović’s Spirit Cooking dinners
It’s not just art or entertainment, it’s a spiritual loophole; a twisted karmic absolution of sorts.
And here we are again, facing a real book, not a fringe internet theory, describing the realities of a depraved elite written by the father of Bill Barr, who hired Jeffrey Epstein into elite academia… who then became a “financier” with no clients, a pedophile with a protected network, and a corpse with no mugshot and no justice.
Is this all just twisted coincidence? Or was ‘Space Relations’ a window into the private worldview of the so-called elite? A fictionalized confession?
What if this whole thing; from Donald Barr’s book, to Epstein’s education gig, to the corrupted justice system is a real-world sci-fi dystopia, hiding in plain sight?
And then there’s the cherry on top:
Epstein-Barr is also the name of a real virus (EBV), one that infects 90% of the global population, often lying dormant for years.
Just like the real Epstein–Barr virus — the one infecting the halls of power, hiding in elite schools, royal palaces, and intelligence agencies. Always concealed. Always protected.
They told us in fiction, they mocked us with symbols, whilst the truth was always in plain sight…
Let’s hope they saying is true: Symbolism will be their downfall.
I’ve actually written about all of this extensively before, and she is spot on!
My previous report on the Khazarian Mafia (also known in history as the “Name Stealers”):
Do You Know The Secret History of The Khazarian Mafia (The “Name Stealers”)?
And I've covered the Bill Barr / Donald Barr / Jeffrey Epstein connections in great details before too.
See here:
The Disgusting Truth About Bill Barr’s Family Will Shock You
So much has been written about Jeffrey Epstein, but I'm willing to bet you haven't even heard a fraction of the real story that was happening behind the scenes.
Deep connections of the same powerful families that run the world constantly criss-crossing and weaving together over and over, generation after generation.
The Barrs.
The Maxwells.
The Kashogis.
The Bushes.
Les Wexner.
Whatever you THINK you know about Jeffrey Epstein, I'm willing to bet I can blow your mind wide open with this.
Huge congrats to Tucker Carlson and Darryl Cooper for this brilliant video.
It's long but very worth it.
You will not even believe the disgusting truth about Bill Barr's father -- spoiler alert: there's no way any of this is random.
Watch here:
FULL TRANSCRIPT:
Daryl Cooper, ladies and gentlemen, it feels so naughty and forbidden to be sitting here with you. It's like getting caught in a strip bar. Just kidding.
Um, I'm so grateful that you came. Um, not everyone feels that way. I just want to dispense with the political aspect of this by reading a verbate. I don't have the tape for some reason, but this was my old friend Mark Leven on his show today.
And uh, this is the transcript that I got. Live in. And it actually says in parenthesis, screaming like an old woman. I don't know if that was actually on Fox or not, but I'm quoting.
Why are these insane knuckleheaded no nothings, these propagandists, these demagogues given platforms? Someone gave us a platform. Amazing. By God, I'm going to take this crap on for as long as I live because it's destroying our youth and destroying their minds.
I'm glad he's standing up. Somebody has to. That guy sounds like a monster. Who's he talking about? You and me.
Um, so I think it'd be really fun to spend maybe three hours, you know, being mean to Mark a little bit. I've already done that. I want to create a documentary record. You've already done this with your podcast, but for people who haven't seen it, I want to create a documentary record here of everything that we know or think we know without too much speculation.
Just like stick to the facts about Jeffrey Epstein, the basic questions of Jeffrey Epstein. I feel like I know a lot about this topic. You know much more than I know.
So without further preamble and just being clear, I'm not here to make political points about this or comment on the unfolding drama around it, which is quite remarkable. I don't really understand it.
So people tuning in to learn what is happening at the White House or in the Congress about this, I can't really say at this point. There'll be time for that. But for right now, I'd really just like to learn about Jeffrey Epstein.
So with that, who was Jeffrey Epstein?
Well, Jeffrey Epstein just started out as a normal guy born in Coney Island 19 uh in the 1950s. First record we really have of him when he appears for us is in 1974 when he's hired to teach mathematics at the Dalton School, which is an elite private school in New York City.
Now, I'm not familiar with New York City uh K- through 12 education system, but I'm told it's a very elite place that it can have their pick of mathematics teachers from all over the world if they want it.
And so, uh, they hire a guy who's 20 years old who dropped out of college after two years at Cooper Union with no teaching experience, uh, to teach math at this school. Um, basically at the age of 20.
At the age of 20, uh, basically on the strength of a meeting with, uh, the headmaster of the school at the time, a guy by the name of Donald Barr. Um, who was Donald Barr?
Yeah. So, that name might sound familiar. Donald Barr is a very interesting character, uh not least because his son, Bill Barr, was the attorney general who had Jeffrey Epstein arrested and oversaw his death in the federal uh jail that he was in.
Can I just ask you, I've already said I wouldn't interject, but I'm asking you to pause already. Um, what are the statistical, the actual odds of that? The attorney general of the United States who arrested Jeffrey Epstein, oversaw his death, declared his death a suicide before the investigation ended, is the son of the guy who hired Jeffrey Epstein at age 20 with no teaching experience or college degree to teach at one of the most prestigious schools in Manhattan.
What are the If you were like, "Hey, Grock, what are the odds? What do you think the odds are?"
Well, let's whatever the odds are, let's add a few more zeros to that.
Okay. So, uh, Donald Barr was also somebody who was he used to work for the OSS, which was the precursor to the CIA back during World War II. So, he has that connection.
Uh, excuse me. Um, Donald Barr also uh dabbled in science fiction writing in his spare time. Uh, one of the books that he wrote is called Space Relations, and he wrote it right around this time that he hired Jeffrey Epstein.
And I've read the book, and you can go read about it on Wikipedia. It's close enough to basically what the plot is if you want to get the idea of it.
The long and short is—
But you read the book.
Oh, yeah. I have I have a copy. I make sure I get a copy of things like that. I've got a copy of uh you know, I went out and made sure I got a copy of the Architectural Digest in Washington Life magazines that um that profiled Tony Podesta's house and art collection just in case, you know, just in case it disappears.
Um and so yeah, I got a copy of it. I read it. It's not a good book. Um, it's a pulpy kind of Elron Hubard style science fiction book sort of, but the basic plot of it involves a main the main character who is kidnapped and sold into slavery on this alien planet that's ruled by seven oligarchs who uh just have been corrupted by their power and their wealth to the point where they're they're basically insane.
And they spend most of their time breeding young slaves and kidnapping uh children uh from around the universe to bring them home and use them as sex slaves. And the main character, he gets assigned or given to uh the one female oligarch on the planet.
And at first, you know, he's sort of one of her slaves and victims, but then she takes a liking to him and he joins her and uh and participates in in what's going on.
And there are scenes in there right near the beginning. There's a scene of these grotesque aliens that kidnap the guy that they make the one of them makes the uh the the prisoners watch while he uh you know rapes a 15-year-old virginal redhead.
And um so this is these are the books uh that Donald Barr, former OSS agent, father of uh Bill Barr, the attorney general who had Jeffrey Epstein arrested and oversaw his death. Um, these are the kind of books that he was writing at the time that he hired the most notorious pedophile in American history.
So, whatever the odds of the first part were, you can probably add a few zeros to that. And we can keep adding zeros if you want.
I do. I mean, it's hard to believe that this is real, but it it is real.
What you're describing is real.
Yeah. Totally real. Totally verifiable. This is not stuff you're going to find on fringe websites. You can find it in, you know, any mainstream story about it, Wikipedia, even whatever.
Um so Bill Barr uh himself uh you know he was an intelligence connected guy very deeply. His first job out of college was as an intern for the CIA in the mid 70s.
And that doesn't sound like much um until you learn that he was a legal intern with the CIA whose job was to be the liaison to Congress during the Church and Pike Committee hearings that were really like the first and up to this point probably only time that the CIA CIA has faced a real threat of of oversight and and clamping down on its activities.
And so this was a very very critical time when a lot of the agency's secrets were coming out and they were facing the possibility of— well they didn't know I mean the agency might have gotten shut down you know if this had gone badly for them.
And so Bill Barr is the legal intern who was the liaison and what that meant was you know he was the guy that when Congress requested some documents he's like okay goes back to the agency here's what they want okay well here's what we can give them and he goes back and convinces them that this is all there is or that they don't need the rest or anything like that.
He was that guy, you know, to smooth that over and make it work. And he apparently did a very good job because the boss of the CIA at the time was George HW Bush. When George HW Bush took over as was elected president 1988, took over in '89, he brought in Bill Barr to be his attorney general, who's really who spent most of his time like at least the big story. I'm sure an attorney general does a lot of things and wears a lot of hats, but the major story that was going on at the time was cleaning up the what was left of the Iran Contra affair.
And so you have the guy who was the legal intern for the CIA during the Church and Pike Committee hearings, brought in by the director of the CIA at the time to be the attorney general who is cleaning up the Iran Contra affair that took place obviously while Bush was uh the vice president.
He goes into the private sector for a while, reemerges when Donald Trump needs um an attorney general of his own, not for any particular reason, I guess, except uh you know, then this happens.
He just happens to arrest the guy that his father gave his first job to, job that he was totally unqualified for. and uh a guy who had proclivities um that most of us find very strange and unacceptable and are very very rare but coincidentally happened to be uh the very topic that that Donald Bar's father liked to write books about.
So very strange it could all be a coincidence but the odds are against that.
So, Donald Bar hires, that's a remarkable story. And I believe and I've said it to him that Bill Barr as attorney general helped cover up Epstein's death, the details of his death. Again, we hear the facts. The facts are that he declared it a suicide before they'd finished the investigation or even really began the investigation.
So, that alone suggests dishonesty, I think, anyway, or lack of rigor or something. What happened to Jeffrey Epstein at Dalton? How long was he there?
He was there for about a year and a half, two years only. And then he was fired for poor performance is how it got written up. And maybe it was that again, he had no teaching experience and no college degree. So it may have just been he was a bad math teacher.
But there are people who had children as students at the time who actually say he was a good math teacher. So maybe it had to do with something else. Maybe it had to do with the fact that there were already allegations against Jeffrey Epstein by the girls he was teaching at this high school of inappropriate behavior.
He would even show up to high school parties sometimes where kids are drinking and partying and he would show up as the teacher, the adult, and kind of just try to join in. So there were those complaints that were going on.
But while he was at Dalton School before he got run out, one of the students he was teaching was the father of one of the students he was teaching was the CEO of the investment bank, Bear Stearns at the time, Ace Greenberg he's known as.
And he approached—I've heard it was Barr himself, I don't know if that's the case—but he approached somebody who was one of his bosses or one of the people who had brought him into the school and asked if he would make the introduction to Ace Greenberg and put in a good word for him.
And so he meets Greenberg, and Greenberg when he gets run out of Dalton brings him on at Bear Stearns. And they put him to work at—so by this point Jeffrey Epstein's like 22, 21 thereabouts. This is 1976. I think he was born in '53. So yeah, 23 years old maybe with no college degree. Two years of college at Cooper Union and he's been a high school math teacher and he got basically fired from that job and he gets hired at Bear Stearns.
He gets hired at Bear Stearns. Is that normal? I couldn't tell you. Especially back then. I'm not really sure. I doubt it—doesn't sound normal. But whatever.
So he gets brought in and the story goes that they put him on the options desk at first but he was not very good at it or not very engaged or interested in it and so they put him in their special products division where Jimmy Cayne, who took over as CEO of Bear Stearns from Ace Greenberg, described what Epstein did there in the special products division and he basically in so many words in sort of the Wall Street financial speak said that his job was to help wealthy clients hide their money.
To create tax advantageous transactions, that kind of thing. But it was to help wealthy clients hide their money and while he was doing that he met and came into contact with a lot of well-known people who became very important for the rest of his career.
Wealthy clients. Yeah, and like one of them for example was Edgar Bronfman who will come up later in our story. He's one of the heirs to the Seagram's liquor fortune, very connected guy we'll probably get to that in a while.
But that only lasts four years. He's there at Bear Stearns from '76 to 1980 and then he gets run out of Bear Stearns for a regulatory violation and you know the story kind of goes there. The official story from the people who were all involved in it at the time are that he was breaking the rules and they were very very upset about it but apparently he stayed friends, close friends, with Ace Greenberg and Jimmy Cayne for a long time after that and he banked with Bear Stearns all the way up until the time the investment bank collapsed in 2008.
So, there weren't that many hard feelings or that intense of hard feelings apparently. But he left and I think the reason for it is probably pretty obvious. He just got a little too aggressive and flew a little too close to the sun doing the job that they had hired him to do, you know, and so he had to leave because there was a violation. They didn't want the attention and everything, but he landed on his feet.
He stayed friends with the people who hired him, all those kind of things. And this is where it gets like really interesting. So again, to go over his resume, he does two years of college, drops out, gets hired as a high school math teacher, is run out of that job ignominiously, either for poor performance or for harassing his female students. Then he goes to work for Bear Stearns, does that for just a few years, and gets run out of there for a regulatory violation.
And that is his resume at this point. There's nothing else I'm leaving out. The very next year, this would make him, I guess, 28 years old. 1981. He's 28 years old. We have him on a private airplane with a big-time British arms broker named Douglas Lease, very big player back in the 1980s, on a private plane to go to a meeting at the Pentagon with this guy.
Okay. Not for the first time. I'm going to stop you and say it doesn't make any sense at all.
Not if—Yeah. So, if you're looking at it in a conventional way, it doesn't. Not if you assume the world works in the ways that we're told it works. That doesn't make any sense, right? And so, you have to ask what is it that a guy like Douglas Lease would be—what interest would he have in a guy like Jeffrey Epstein?
Even if he was a moneyman of some kind, presumably a guy like that can have any money man he wants. Why does he need a guy like Jeffrey Epstein?
And I think the answer is—and this is the answer that a lot of researchers have come to over the years and I think it's the most obvious one at least, the simplest—is that when you look at the kind of things that somebody like Lease would do it's not as if Lease owned a weapons manufacturer. That's what he did. He was a fixer. He was a guy who made the deals happen. He made sure the right people got paid off and that everything was kind of smoothed over so that these things would go through.
He was mentioned for example in the UK Parliament in the 1980s in reference to the Al-Yamamah weapons deal with Saudi Arabia which is the biggest weapons deal in UK history I think to this day. BAE Systems alone has made 46 billion dollars off this deal over the years and I think that was up through 2010 or something. So it's probably higher now.
But there have been allegations from politicians, from lawyers, journalists, other weapons companies who were upset about their competition getting a leg up this way, that there was bribery, there was all kinds of shady stuff going on behind the scenes to make sure that the deal went the way that they wanted it to go.
And you think that a guy who— you know, a guy like Lease whose job is to go around and make sure that people are being paid off with illicit funds that cannot be traced because then you end up like Lockheed Martin did when they got caught bribing officials in Japan to sign off on a weapons deal there. Nobody wants that. You got to hide your money better. You got to figure out how to do that in a way that nobody's going to track it.
And that's why you need a guy like Jeffrey Epstein. You're not going to be able to walk in the front door of Goldman Sachs and say, "I need to talk to one of your money managers. Hey, can you launder this money for me?" You need a guy who's morally compromised, who is willing to get down in the dirt and do this kind of work. And that is what Jeffrey Epstein had just spent the last four years at Bear Stearns doing.
I don't know how—I don't know. This may be out there, but I can't remember ever coming across how it is he met Lease. But it was probably through the wealthy clients that he was working for there at Bear Stearns, so that when he did get run out, they made sure he landed on his feet and he was doing something that he could actually succeed at.
And so you go through the 1980s and Lease is the guy who introduces him to Robert Maxwell. He introduces him to a lot of big players and figures in European politics and in the economy and introduces him to Maxwell and Maxwell introduces him to his daughter Ghislaine who became his partner in crime, I guess you'd say, over the years.
And Robert Maxwell's a super interesting character because—
And Robert Maxwell's a super interesting character because, you know, this is the reason that I brought up near the beginning and we should probably say like the thing that the thing that people are really interested in this story about, I mean there's the tabloid aspect of it.
You know I think there's there's a lot of people out there who just there's all this talk about the Epstein list. You know they want they want they want there to be a safe that the FBI opens up or drills a hole and and cracks into and then there's just a ledger of you know signed in blood I Jeffrey Epstein you know compromised these famous movie stars and politicians on these days.
That's what people want. They're not going to get that. That kind of thing doesn't exist. The really interesting aspect of it is encapsulated in just one incident which happened in, I guess this came out after Epstein was arrested during the first Trump administration that Alexander Acosta who was Trump's labor secretary at the time, he had been the U.S. attorney in the Southern District of Florida in charge of prosecuting Epstein's first sex crimes case back in the mid 2000s and we'll get to all this later.
But Epstein was given a very very— to call it a light sentence is being very generous in how we describe it. I'll get into the details of how it all came together and what the actual sentence was later, but he was asked in his vetting process, Alexander Acosta, “Hey, if this comes up, you know, this is a potential scandal. You gave this pedophile with all these victims against, you know, they had like 40 witnesses in that 2007–2008 case. I mean, on the record, corroborating each other's stories independently. I mean, this was just the most open and shut case you can imagine. We'll get into the case here in a bit, but he was asked, ‘How could you, you know, what's your excuse for giving this guy the deal that you gave him because it's kind of crazy.’”
And he said, “Well, I was told that Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.”
Now, this is from an— to be fair, this is from an unnamed source in the administration who was involved in that vetting process as told to the journalist Vicky Ward.
I don't think Ward would make that up and I don't think she would embellish.
Well, I have something to add to this which is true and I would be delighted to talk to Mr. Acosta anytime by the way. So, I say this with the caveat that it hasn't been— he has not said this to me, but I believe that he's been asked about this and that he has not denied it and that his response was, “That's true, but I don't remember who said it to me.”
Well, I mean, how many people can tell the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida to drop a case against a pedophile with 40 witnesses corroborating each other's stories? There's not very many people who can tell them to do that.
No, there's not many people who can murder an inmate in federal lockup in Manhattan either. I mean, who's he going to take that order from? And who is it going to have enough juice that he's going to say, “Yes, boss,” and actually go do that? The deputy attorney general and the attorney general, maybe. Like, that's— I mean, there's just not that many people who can do that, you know, and the whole case, and we'll get into this later, was incredibly shady how it was handled from day one.
But yeah. Anyway, I'll put that aside because the interesting thing there is you have the most famous and prolific, mass pedophile in the history of the United States, certainly the most famous one, who the labor secretary under— I don't know if they put people under oath when they do these vettings, probably not— but he told somebody in a setting where it mattered and where he wasn't being watched, you know, this wasn't for publicity or anything like that. It was behind closed doors. He said that Epstein belonged to intelligence, which you know could mean a lot of things.
You know, a lot of people want to hear that he worked for the CIA or the Mossad or something like that. But, you know, there's a lot of wiggle room there when you say— I think Naftali Bennett, the former Israeli prime minister, just came out recently and said, “I can say categorically that Jeffrey Epstein did not work for the Mossad.” It's like, yeah, okay. So he wasn't an employee of the Mossad. Was he an asset of Israeli military intelligence, which is something different?
Now, you know, Bennett's not lying, but kind of not telling the whole truth either. And so you got to be careful with the wiggle room in the words that people use. But when you have that and when you— I mean to me, I don't know, this is— maybe I'm missing something here. I'm not a journalist or anything, but I would think that when you have a story like the Jeffrey Epstein story, that every time any little piece of information has dropped about the Epstein story, ever since he was arrested, doesn't matter what it is, any little drib and drab, it goes viral. It is the number one story that night. It is the highest ratings of any show or anything, whoever talks about it, whatever it is, everybody wants more information on this story.
It's just too good to be true from like a network or newspaper perspective, right? You talk about like billionaire playboy who has connections through just around world governments and the U.S. government, including just wealthy famous people, business owners, people that everybody has heard of and sees on TV all the time.
That that guy was running a mass pedophile ring and the labor secretary under Donald Trump who was the guy in charge of prosecuting him in 2007 said that he belonged to intelligence. I would think that every newspaper in the country and every cable news channel in the country would have a team of reporters camped out on that dude's lawn to stick a microphone in his face every time he left his house and say, “What did you mean by that? Can we get some kind of clarity on whether this pedophile was, you know, belonging to—”
But we don't get that and when you don't get things like that you get a lot of room for speculation and you know it's kind of justified speculation. I mean what is that? And instead you get a lot of emphasis on the sex part which deserves attention of course. These are sex crimes apparently in some cases against minors, horrible, not acceptable, but the other parts are completely ignored like what was this guy doing, this Cooper Union non-graduate who—Bear Stearns and then he's with an arms dealer flying private to a meeting at the Pentagon.
Like take three steps back. What is that? Hired by a guy at that first job who had connections to intelligence through the OSS, whose son was a CIA-connected guy. I mean so all of these— the reason I threw out all of these kind of intelligence connections that aren't, you know, they're— this is all circumstantial stuff that doesn't attach necessarily.
The fact that Donald Barr worked for the OSS back during the war or that his son Bill Barr worked for the CIA, that doesn't by itself mean anything about Epstein. I think his son Bill Barr spent like what six years? I think six. Yeah. So he wasn't just an intern and by the way he stayed— right, was an employee.
But it's not just circumstantial because you have apparently the former labor secretary saying— for me he was attorney federal prosecutor saying he belonged to intelligence. So I— anyway, I'm not trying to justify my interest in this. I don't think it needs justifying, but I think the people who haven't covered the story and the material parts of it, the stuff that actually really matters, they need to justify their lack of interest in it.
Like what is that, New York Times? It's natural to start asking questions when a question that would occur to anybody, somebody who just heard a five minute synopsis of the story and they're from Mars and they have never heard any of it before. You tell them the short little story, a five-minute version of it that I just told you and the first thing they're going to ask is, “Well, what did he mean when he said that Epstein belonged to intelligence? What's going on there?”
And you can't get a journalist to ask that question, right? And so it's natural for us to start wondering why that is. Well, because the question that all this bears on, the purpose of this interview, the purpose of all questions that I've ever raised about Epstein, go back to one central question, which is who runs the world, who's making the decisions and on whose behalf?
This idea that, you know, there are all these und— and whatever nation states each acting in its own, that's not true. And so, what is true and this may point us in that direction.
Yeah. You know, one of the things that we go back to the 1980s, I mean, it's just such a fascinating time because in the Iran Contra deal, Mike Benz likes to point this out and he's great on all of the Epstein stuff in the 80s and just the a lot of the intelligence shenanigans in general going on back then is that, you know, the it really provides a window into the question you're asking right now. Who runs the world? Like, who's actually in charge of everything that's going on? How is power structured and how does it operate really, you know, in the world?
And if you go back to those the Church and Pike Committee hearings and then you roll into the Carter administration where he brings Admiral Stanfield Turner in to run the CIA and basically gives him a directive to pare down the CIA's operational commitments and the things that it does in the in the field. Start focusing more on, you know, what Truman thought he was getting himself into, which was, you know, a batch of analysts to help keep the president informed as he made decisions.
And by all accounts, as far as I know, Admiral Turner tried to do that job with some enthusiasm. You get to the point where by the 1980s, the CIA's ability to operate is under a lot of scrutiny and limited in ways that it never had been before. I mean, you go back the 50s, 60s, and 70s, and I mean, they were just cowboys. They're dosing elephants with LSD, right?
Exactly. Whatever you want. They're visiting, you know, Jack Ruby in prison and turning him crazy. I mean, right. And so it's right at that time when their activities are being curtailed and under a lot of scrutiny that you start to see the emergence of the system that we have now that pops up again and again whenever we end up in a place like Ukraine or just anywhere where you have institutions like the National Endowment for Democracy or USAID, a lot of these other organizations that you know they're not the CIA.
You have like one of the former heads of the National Endowment for Democracy on the record in an interview almost bragging in his tone saying we do all the jobs that the CIA used to do of course and so it was outsourced you know the CIA in coordination with CIA and other agencies.
…and so it was outsourced. The CIA, in coordination with other agencies, basically shifted a lot of what it used to do into these public-facing NGOs and semi-private outfits. 100% the same goals, just now at arm’s length.
And when you get to the 1980s, that’s when this new system really takes root. And you have these “freelancers”—guys like Epstein—who aren’t officially on any government payroll, but they do work that intelligence agencies can’t touch directly anymore because of congressional oversight, or FOIA, or whatever.
They’re mercenaries. They work for whoever’s aligned at that moment: CIA today, MI6 tomorrow, Mossad next week. They’re useful because they’re cutouts. If you get burned, it’s not “an American operation” or “an Israeli op.” It’s just some guy, some mystery billionaire, running his own little schemes.
And Epstein was perfect for that role. He had the skill set—they knew he’d move money and do it quietly—and he had no moral compass. That combination makes you very valuable in certain circles.
So, when people say, “Was he CIA? Was he Mossad?” the answer is probably neither, and both. He was an asset in a global network of intelligence services that cooperate when interests overlap. That’s why trying to put him in one box misses the point.
And it makes sense of the rest of his career. The arms deals, the shadow banking, the relationships with guys like Adnan Khashoggi—one of the biggest arms fixers on Earth. The Iran-Contra stuff? People forget how massive that was. You want to know who runs the world? Look at Iran-Contra. That’s patient zero for understanding how this all really works.
Epstein wasn’t on the edges of that. He was in the bloodstream. He was moving money for Khashoggi. That’s not speculation—that’s documented. And what does Khashoggi do? He brokers weapons and logistics for covert U.S. and Israeli operations, including Iran-Contra.
The pattern is obvious if you zoom out. He starts with Dalton—through Donald Barr. Then Bear Stearns, where he learns offshore structuring and hiding assets. Then, suddenly, he’s on private planes with British arms dealers headed to the Pentagon. That doesn’t happen because you’re charming at dinner parties.
And then the Wexner connection takes it to another level. Wexner hands him full power of attorney—over billions. That is insane on its face. No one in corporate America does that for a guy they barely know. And yet, it happened. Why?
The simplest answer: Wexner wasn’t just some random retail mogul. Wexner was plugged in. His foundation funneled money into programs that, let’s just say, overlapped with certain Israeli and U.S. security interests. Epstein ran that foundation for 15 years. Think about that.
By the way, Wexner’s still alive. He’s never sat for a DOJ interview. Never been seriously pressed by media. Why? Why not ask the man why he gave that kind of control to Epstein? You and I both know the answer: because the implications of the real answer ripple out in every direction—finance, politics, intelligence, media.
And that gets us back to why this whole story is radioactive. Because if you tug on one thread—just one—you start to see that a huge amount of what we think of as “separate worlds” (government, business, foreign policy) is actually one intertwined system.
So, to the final question everybody asks: “Where did Epstein’s money come from?” Here’s the truth: nobody can fully trace it because that was the point. He was good at what he did. Offshore trusts, shell corps, complicated swaps. But we know enough to say this: a big chunk came from running illicit money—dirty money—through clean channels for people who needed it hidden. Arms deals, black-budget ops, oligarch slush, maybe state actors.
And along the way, he figures out leverage. Compromise. “Playing the box,” as Hoffenberg said. If you’re already laundering for people who can’t afford exposure, and then you have them on tape doing something they really can’t afford to have exposed—well, that’s power. That’s how a math teacher with no degree turns into the guy presidents and princes and CEOs all take calls from.
That’s what this was. That’s why Acosta said, “Belongs to intelligence.” That’s why he got a sweetheart deal in 2008. That’s why he could put bullets on editors’ doorsteps and kill Vanity Fair stories and know nothing would happen. That’s why he “killed himself” in federal custody with cameras off and guards asleep and no one—no one—got indicted for it.
Who runs the world? People like the ones Epstein worked for. And maybe, for a while, Epstein himself.
…and so it was outsourced. The CIA, in coordination with other agencies, basically shifted a lot of what it used to do into these public-facing NGOs and semi-private outfits. 100% the same goals, just now at arm’s length.
And when you get to the 1980s, that’s when this new system really takes root. And you have these “freelancers”—guys like Epstein—who aren’t officially on any government payroll, but they do work that intelligence agencies can’t touch directly anymore because of congressional oversight, or FOIA, or whatever.
They’re mercenaries. They work for whoever’s aligned at that moment: CIA today, MI6 tomorrow, Mossad next week. They’re useful because they’re cutouts. If you get burned, it’s not “an American operation” or “an Israeli op.” It’s just some guy, some mystery billionaire, running his own little schemes.
And Epstein was perfect for that role. He had the skill set—they knew he’d move money and do it quietly—and he had no moral compass. That combination makes you very valuable in certain circles.
So, when people say, “Was he CIA? Was he Mossad?” the answer is probably neither, and both. He was an asset in a global network of intelligence services that cooperate when interests overlap. That’s why trying to put him in one box misses the point.
And it makes sense of the rest of his career. The arms deals, the shadow banking, the relationships with guys like Adnan Khashoggi—one of the biggest arms fixers on Earth. The Iran-Contra stuff? People forget how massive that was. You want to know who runs the world? Look at Iran-Contra. That’s patient zero for understanding how this all really works.
Epstein wasn’t on the edges of that. He was in the bloodstream. He was moving money for Khashoggi. That’s not speculation—that’s documented. And what does Khashoggi do? He brokers weapons and logistics for covert U.S. and Israeli operations, including Iran-Contra.
The pattern is obvious if you zoom out. He starts with Dalton—through Donald Barr. Then Bear Stearns, where he learns offshore structuring and hiding assets. Then, suddenly, he’s on private planes with British arms dealers headed to the Pentagon. That doesn’t happen because you’re charming at dinner parties.
And then the Wexner connection takes it to another level. Wexner hands him full power of attorney—over billions. That is insane on its face. No one in corporate America does that for a guy they barely know. And yet, it happened. Why?
The simplest answer: Wexner wasn’t just some random retail mogul. Wexner was plugged in. His foundation funneled money into programs that, let’s just say, overlapped with certain Israeli and U.S. security interests. Epstein ran that foundation for 15 years. Think about that.
By the way, Wexner’s still alive. He’s never sat for a DOJ interview. Never been seriously pressed by media. Why? Why not ask the man why he gave that kind of control to Epstein? You and I both know the answer: because the implications of the real answer ripple out in every direction—finance, politics, intelligence, media.
And that gets us back to why this whole story is radioactive. Because if you tug on one thread—just one—you start to see that a huge amount of what we think of as “separate worlds” (government, business, foreign policy) is actually one intertwined system.
So, to the final question everybody asks: “Where did Epstein’s money come from?” Here’s the truth: nobody can fully trace it because that was the point. He was good at what he did. Offshore trusts, shell corps, complicated swaps. But we know enough to say this: a big chunk came from running illicit money—dirty money—through clean channels for people who needed it hidden. Arms deals, black-budget ops, oligarch slush, maybe state actors.
And along the way, he figures out leverage. Compromise. “Playing the box,” as Hoffenberg said. If you’re already laundering for people who can’t afford exposure, and then you have them on tape doing something they really can’t afford to have exposed—well, that’s power. That’s how a math teacher with no degree turns into the guy presidents and princes and CEOs all take calls from.
That’s what this was. That’s why Acosta said, “Belongs to intelligence.” That’s why he got a sweetheart deal in 2008. That’s why he could put bullets on editors’ doorsteps and kill Vanity Fair stories and know nothing would happen. That’s why he “killed himself” in federal custody with cameras off and guards asleep and no one—no one—got indicted for it.
Who runs the world? People like the ones Epstein worked for. And maybe, for a while, Epstein himself.
Um, I mean, you've been self-employed for a while, but when you weren't, was it your habit to go to your boss and make demands of them on a regular basis?
I don't know.
I mean, since when do we ever make demands on Israel? It's been a long It's been a long time.
I don't I don't know, but I I you know, that's obviously distressing.
So, um, okay.
So, there's clearly a cover up at the very beginning. And I just want to say again, I think that's one, not the totality of, but one of the reasons we don't have this information now is because DOJ doesn't have the information.
Can I tie up that last point real quick for just a second?
So, um, him being in Israel, uh, and at least having the threat of staying there, uh, you know, that may have played a role in him cutting his deal because that's when his deal was.
He's already been charged at this point. He's awaiting sentencing.
He's been convicted and they don't take his passport and he he's been convicted and he leaves the country.Correct. and his plea deal um or well so no no let me back that up.His plea deal was negotiated while he was out of the country because he he didn't fight the he didn't fight thecharges. It wasn't it didn't go to you know go to trial to a jury trial or anything. He was out of the country and hislawyers could credibly go to the D. Say that is special treatment.Did any of the J6 defendants get treatment like that? No, I don't think so. That's what's infuriating about all this.leaving aside, you know, a lot of other elements that are upsetting.But the most infuriating is just the the two-tiers or multi-tier system of justice. This is something that people, Ithink, if not maybe even at the highest levels when I read uh President Trump's truth socials about it, things likethat that people are just they don't seem to be understanding is this isn't about some guy that sexually assaulteda bunch of girls. Like Jeffrey Epstein, for better or for worse, has become a proxy for other things. You know, canI just interrupt you to say our uh faithful and gifted researcher has just held up a note saying Acosta apparentlyAlex Acosta has said and this is different from what I described um that he never said that Epstein was wasconnected to intelligence.So that is not my understanding. So he was asked about it at a press conference and he essentially refused toanswer. He said um you know that's he said I wouldn't take those media reports at face value and beyond that uhdepartment of justice policy you know kind of forbids me from going any further into that. Then there was anotherthere was an ABC news report and this is kind of an example of how this stuff gets out into the public mind.There was an ABC pretty Yeah, it was ABC News report was talking about his DOJ deal back then. And um andthey said that uh in the story they said that uh the DOJ had had stated that he had no connections to intelligence.
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