Both on Sunday's Velshi show and on Tuesday's Morning Joe on MS NOW, the claim was repeated that only 16 illegal aliens arrested in Chicago out of over 600 were dangerous criminals even though more than 1,100 who were already deported were not covered in that calculation. On his eponymous Sunday morning show, Ali Velshi compared liberal activists defending illegal aliens from deportation to the Civil Rights Movement as he spoke with frequent guests -- Fordham University's Christina Greer and New York City comptroller Brad Lander. Referring to the ICE facility in Broadview, Illinois, where liberal activists often harass immigration enforcement agents, Velshi posed: I haven't had a conversation with the mayor of Broadview, but I have some real distaste about what he said: "These are out of town protesters." I want you to take us back to the Civil Rights Movement. There were lots of out-of-town protesters. That was actually the point. You go anywhere you need to go where you can change and help things. Great if it's in your city, but it's okay if it's someone else's city, right? Illegal immigration "helps things"? A bit later, Lander brought up the recent court ruling that calls for the possibility of more than 600 ICE detainees from the Chicago area to be released with a small portion so far categorized as dangerous criminals: But in Chicago this week, ICE was forced to release in federal court, you know, information of the 607 immigrants they've detained -- only 16 were in any way deemed to be a threat to anybody's safety. So 97 percent of people are either U.S. citizens or people who are here seeking asylum and not causing anybody any harm. Velshi then suggested that few such criminals are being targeted by ICE now: So this threat is an interesting thing, Christina, because Donald Trump started by saying it was murderers and rapists when he started his, you know, his first election. But then it became about, you know, the terrorists or whatever the case is. MS-13 -- everybody was MS-13 or Tren de Aragua. They seem to just have skipped all that part. Greer then tied in race, leading to agreement from Velshi: CHRISTINA GREER, FORDHAM UNIVERSITY: Yeah. No, we're not there anymore. Now, it's just brown people who shouldn't be here. ALI VELSHI: Yeah. GREER: That is part of the larger Trump administration project. And Republicans have to own it. They -- they're in lockstep with the President, so he's essentially saying, "I just -- we can pick up brown people off the street. It doesn't matter if they're documented or undocumented." I mean, they use that horrible language of legal and illegal... On Tuesday's Morning Joe, co-host Willie Geist also made the claim that only 16 dangerous aliens were arrested in Chicago: WILLIE GEIST: Here's the core of the problem. The Trump -- by the Trump administration's own data released over the weekend in Chicago, in these immigration raids, they've arrested 607 people -- 16 of them -- one-six -- according to the Trump administration, actually pose a safety risk because of their alleged criminal history. So when he said during the campaign, "We're going to seal the border, and we're going to get the rapists and the murderers" and all the people he always talks about out of the country, Americans said, "Yeah, that seems like a good idea." JOE SCARBOROUGH: Right, of course. GEIST: But when your batting average is 16 out of 607, that's when Americans go, "Whoa, this is not what we voted for." He's not paying attention to the polls. A majority support deporting illegal aliens whether they're violent criminals or not. Last month, The New York Times sadly reported "the share of registered voters who favor deporting immigrants living in the country illegally — 54 percent — has remained  unchanged....More specifically, 51 percent said they thought the government was deporting mostly people who 'should be deported.'" The order covered those detained in the Chicago area between June 11 and October 7 during which time more than 1,800 were arrested, so the analysis does not include all of those who were detained in that period.  Transcripts follow: Velshi November 16, 2025 10:31 a.m. Eastern ALI VELSHI: The Trump administration is set on seizing control of American cities -- specifically cities lived in and led by Democrats. Chicago has arguably gotten the worst of it so far. Federal troops controlling the streets in what's been described as military-style ICE raids that have shaken communities and broken up families. (...) 10:35 a.m. VELSHI: Christina, I haven't had a conversation with the mayor of Broadview, but I have some real distaste about what he said: "These are out of town protesters." I want you to take us back to the Civil Rights Movement. There were lots of out-of-town protesters. That was actually the point. You go anywhere you need to go where you can change and help things. Great if it's in your city, but it's okay if it's someone else's city, right? CHRISTINA GREER, FORDHAM UNIVERSITY: Right, absolutely. And I wanted to just put a pin on a point that you made. These are interfaith pastors and religious clergy members who are coming together. So it's not just one denomination, just like we saw in the Civil Rights Movement, people all across the spectrum saying this is not right from a whole host of reasons -- not from an American democratic perspective, from a moral clarity perspective. That's one. And then two, this, this idea of, "Oh, they're out of town. So that's why we could behave this way." Well, the whole point is, as Americans, we are seeing this happen, as you said, not just in Democratic-led cities, but primarily in cities that are led by African American mayors, and I think New York knows that their time possibly will come because the President has promised as such. But we can't just sort of off as sort of, "Well, they're out of towners," as though that justifies -- VELSHI: This is still your country. Charlotte is still my country. Chicago is my country. (...) BRAD LANDER (D-NEW YORK CITY COMPTROLLER): But in Chicago this week, ICE was forced to release in federal court, you know, information of the 607 immigrants they've detained -- only 16 were in any way deemed to be a threat to anybody's safety. So 97 percent of people are either U.S. citizens or people who are here seeking asylum and not causing anybody any harm. VELSHI: So this threat is an interesting thing, Christina, because Donald Trump started by saying it was murderers and rapists when he started his, you know, his first election. But then it became about, you know, the terrorists or whatever the case is. MS-13 -- everybody was MS-13 or Tren de Aragua. They seem to just have skipped all that part. GREER: Yeah. No, we're not there anymore. Now, it's just brown people who shouldn't be here. VELSHI: Yeah. GREER: That is part of the larger Trump administration project. And Republicans have to own it. They -- they're in lockstep with the President, so he's essentially saying, "I just -- we can pick up brown people off the street. It doesn't matter if they're documented or undocumented." I mean, they use that horrible language of legal and illegal, which is absolutely -- VELSHI: Right, because -- and Brad (Lander) has made this point, that you can be undocumented and be going through a legal process on an ongoing basis -- at 26 Federal Plaza -- and then they lock you up. GREER: And how are we to know? And so the fact that so many communities are living in fear, right. The fact that ICE agents are coming and just observing, you know, soup kitchens, they're observing people going to work. They're observing people dropping their kids off at school. The point is to terrorize people. VELSHI: Right. (...) Morning Joe November 18, 2025 7:36 a.m. CLAIRE McCASKILL, MSNOW CONTRIBUTOR: Mayor Williams, I noticed in Charlottesville there were actually some -- Charlotte there were actually some arrests that were made. For example, a U.S. citizen had his windshield smashed by masked combatants. What steps can you take as mayors to protect the people in your communities that have every legal right to be there and are being singled out simply because they're brown? (...) SCARBOROUGH: Let's kind of go behind the story here because I -- there's something I really -- I don't understand other than the -- how inhumane these ICE raids are -- how un-American it is to smash windshields of American citizens, drag scores of American -- (cross talk) MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Traumatize people and children. SCARBOROUGH: -- citizens off, get kids ripped out of Montessori schools, getting moms ripped out of school lines waiting for their children. You know, the school -- I mean, all of that is so obviously bad morally but also just if you don't care about that -- if you just -- it's bad politically. And now you've got the most famous American on the planet and in Heaven, Pope Leo coming out and he has -- he's saying you can't be pro-life -- you can't call yourself pro-life if you're for the inhumane treatment of these children of Christ, right? The bishops are doing it. All these people are doing it. As I said yesterday, when we spoke with Donald Trump in November, that's one of the thing that he said he understood. He didn't want images of children being ripped from the arms of mothers. That's all we've seen. This is even worse in the second term than it was in the first term. (...) WILLIE GEIST: Here's the core of the problem. The Trump -- by the Trump administration's own data released over the weekend in Chicago, in these immigration raids, they've arrested 607 people -- 16 of them -- one six -- according to the Trump administration, actually pose a safety risk because of their alleged criminal history. So when he said during the campaign, "We're going to seal the border, and we're going to get the rapists and the murderers" and all the people he always talks about out of the country, Americans said, "Yeah, that seems like a good idea." SCARBOROUGH: Right, of course. GEIST: But when your batting average is 16 out of 607, that's when Americans go, "Whoa, this is not what we voted for."

NBC’s immigration roundup from Charlotte, North Carolina is notable for what it shows, and what it doesn’t show. The report by Julia Ainsley cobbles together several victim stories and, most notably, promotes an ICE-spotting seminar at a local church. Watch the report in its entirety below, as aired on NBC Nightly News on Wednesday, November 19th, 2025: TOM LLAMAS: Okay, now to the Trump administration ramping up its immigration crackdown in Charlotte, where we're about to show you some dramatic video showing people running from federal agents. Border Patrol now says it's arrested more than 250 people there. Julia Ainsley reports tonight from Charlotte. JULIA AINSLEY: Tonight, chaotic scenes like this playing out across Charlotte. This surveillance video capturing people fleeing a laundromat as federal agents arrived. A man texted his family this video shot inside a Border Patrol van to let them know he'd been detained. Another man wrestled to the ground inside a fast food restaurant under construction. Border Patrol says it has arrested more than 250 people five days into its immigration crackdown here. WITNESS: He’s breaking the window. He's got an assault rifle pointed at her. AINSLEY: It's unclear how many of those people have criminal records. This woman, a legal permanent resident, said she was questioned by Border Patrol and asked for her papers at the bank. The target was to go after criminals, and they are not doing that. They are after good people. (VIDEO SWIPE) My legs were shaking, and I had documents, she tells us. Many in Charlotte’s Hispanic community say they're scared to leave their homes. ERIKA REYNOSA: People are just staying home- even to do groceries. (VIDEO SWIPE) They're locked in for their own safety.  AINSLEY: One man at her church says he's afraid to leave his home for life-saving kidney dialysis, she tells us. Some North Carolinians welcoming the enforcement. Renee White drove more than two hours to show her support for immigration agents. RENEE WHITE: I was able to pick up a couple dozen donuts and some coffee and to let them know that I supported them. (VIDEO SWIPE) I totally support what they're doing in Charlotte.  AINSLEY: Is this what you voted for? WHITE: Yup. I voted for it in 2016. I voted for it in 2020, and I voted for it in 2024. AINSLEY: More than 1000 people have signed up to come to this church tonight to learn how they can help immigrants spot Border Patrol in their community. Tom? LLAMAS: Okay, Julia, thank you. The truth is that immigration enforcement is always going to be messy, especially when the aforementioned enforcement carried out comes on the heels of the President of the United States cracking the border wide open and allowing tens of millions of unvetted illegal aliens to enter into the country. Thus it is that scenes of illegal aliens attempting to avoid capture and subsequent deportation are depicted as some sort of atrocity. This type of reporting is not that different to what you normally see at such outlets as Univision or Telemundo. Immigration advocacy reporting. The difference between between those reports and this one is basic motivation. Whereas the Latino legacy networks do immigration advocacy because it is their business model, the same type of reporting on English-language media is predicated on resistance to Trump. This explains what you see at the very end of the report: correspondent Julia Ainsley gleefully promoting a local church hosting an ICE detection seminar. Contrary to what Ainsley posits, the training is a little more involved than just learning how to “spot Border Patrol.” Per WBTV: CHARLOTTE, N.C. (WBTV) - Community organizations are training volunteers to monitor federal immigration enforcement activities as operation “Charlotte’s Web” enters its third day in the Charlotte area. Dilworth United Methodist Church was packed Monday night for ICE and Border Patrol Watch training hosted by Siembra N.C. The session taught attendees how to observe and document immigration enforcement activities in their neighborhoods. The training included hands-on exercises where volunteers acted out detention scenarios while watch team members practiced recording the interactions, alerting the public to immigration enforcement presence, and instructing detained individuals to identify themselves. The article goes on to explain that trainees learn to help immigrants “get to school safely.” Siembra N.C. is a far-leftist group of unclear funding that promotes far-left causes in North Carolina. A quick perusal of their website also finds them to be anti-law enforcement and anti-capital. This is in addition to their non-ironic use of such terms as “Latine” and “Latinx.” Subversion through open borders and obstruction of border enforcement is the end game here. Ultimately, that’s what this report was promoting.  

Tuesday’s New York Times featured a 2,000-word intellectual wasteland by reporter Amy Harmon, “New Passport Rule Sends Blunt and Sweeping Message to Trans Americans.” Harmon's reporter page explains that she's all about avoiding biological truth: “I am a New York Times reporter covering how shifting conceptions of gender affect everyday life in the United States." Her latest pulled out all the sympathetic stops, opposing the assumed atrocity of your passport listing your actual sex, not the one you “chose” later in life. The Trump administration has pushed for restrictions on transgender Americans in nearly every arena, including serving in the military and playing on sports teams, but perhaps no measure has struck as broad and direct a blow to their identity and participation in public life as a new policy on passports that the Supreme Court this month allowed to take effect. Passports must now reflect the sex on a person’s original birth certificate, regardless of whether that matches the person’s gender identity.... Harmon allowed the fact-based side of the gender war to make its case: “Passports should identify people based on verifiable facts, not subjective feelings.” But her heart was with the extreme transgender lobby. Critics of the passport policy say the effects of the change are practical and far-reaching for nearly all trans and nonbinary Americans, a group that is estimated to be about three million people, or about 1 percent of the population age 13 and older. The new requirement could create confusion and allegations of misrepresentation, they said, for people whose appearance may not match the sex marker on their passport when using it to travel, open a bank account or apply for a job. Harmon piled on the most paranoid readings from the most paranoid transgenders she could locate to paint a sensible policy as totalitarian. For many trans Americans, the policy feels like a blunt, official declaration that the federal government views their gender identities as neither real nor meaningful, and it raises the prospect that such views will spread. “What this says is that you, as a transgender person, do not matter to the state, and the state gets to tell you who you are,” said Imara Jones, a transgender journalist who runs a media company, TransLash. “This is not in accord with the way that citizens and citizenship has been treated in America.” …. Some opponents of the passport rule argue that gender identity — rather than sex on a person’s original birth certificate — is their sex. They say they want the sex on their passport to reflect the sex they live their lives as, and to enable them to use their passports the way other Americans do, without facing another layer of questions at airports and elsewhere about their personal lives. The policy, critics say, also fails to account for a small group of intersex people with biological variations that do not fall within the standard male and female classifications. Amid that sort of pseudo-scientific gobbledygook was one sensible paragraph: The passport change is part of what the Trump administration says it sees as a way to dismantle “gender ideology,” which it has characterized as policies and beliefs that conflict with empirical realities about sex. The strategy has won support from some across the political spectrum who felt strong-armed during the Biden era to call trans women “women” and trans men “men,” to include trans athletes in girls and women’s sports or to use the word “sex” to mean “gender identity.’’ …. But for many transgender people, the passport change feels more like an attack on them as people, not a debate about ideology around science or language. It suggests, they say, that their self-representation is intrinsically fraudulent. It is. As she did in her piece on Covid mask die-hards, Harmon dug up people with seriously odd demands on society while treating commonsense measures as the problem. One transgender woman, a former deputy director of a cultural organization in New York who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear for her safety....carries extra documents: a copy of her state driver’s license with her updated name and gender; her original birth certificate, which describes her as male…. His birth certificate merely “describes her as male”? He is male. That’s how human biology worked until about 10 years ago.

Objection, your honor: leading the witness. Jeffrey Epstein victim Sharlene Rochard gave her debut interview to MS NOW’s Jen Psaki, which was aired Tuesday night’s The Briefing. While Psaki tried to get her to link President Trump to Epstein’s sex trafficking exploits, Rochard was made uncomfortable by the clearly politically motived effort and repeatedly sought comfort in the counsel of fellow victim Virginia Giuffre’s relatives who were on set with her. The interview started off simple enough. Psaki asked innocuous questions about how Rochard got looped into Epstein’s world and where she traveled as a model. Then Psaki quickly brought up Trump’s famous resort and suggested Epstein had sent her there to be with Trump: PSAKI: Did you travel to Mar-a-Lago? ROCHARD: Yes, I did. PSAKI: And how did you arrive at Mar-a-Lago? How did you end up going to Mar-a-Lago? Was he — did he send you there? Were you told to go there? How did that happen? ROCHARD: There were a lot of model parties at the Mar-a-Lago. Different people would set them up, different magazines, and a limo would come, and you'd jump in the limo and you'd go.     Rochard didn’t claim she was sent there by Epstein. And as if Psaki didn’t hear her correctly, and seemingly ignoring the part about magazines renting out the resort for events, she tried to get Rochard to say so: PSAKI: And Jeffrey Epstein or someone who worked for him would tell you to go there? ROCHARD: No, it was just a place where something was held, a party was held, and people would go to different events. Even after Rochard refused to explicitly link Epstein’s criminal operations to Trump, Psaki flat-out asked if Trump was aware of Epstein’s recruitment or trafficking practices at the resort: PSAKI: This is about so much more than one person, Jeffrey Epstein, or Ghislaine Maxwell or Donald Trump. But because Donald Trump is a person who, of course, owns Mar-a-Lago, I just have to ask if you think he was aware of that arrangement. ROCHARD: I don't know if he was aware. Actually, I can't answer that. I'm sorry. When it became obvious Psaki she wasn’t going to get the smoking gun she wanted, she opened the floor to Rochard to share whatever she wanted. Rochard simply put the spotlight back on Epstein alone: “Terrible things had happened to me within my time with dealing with Jeffrey Epstein. I had encounters with people that I would rather not have.” Tough luck, Psaki. This truth you’ve been looking for will surely show itself… someday! The transcript is below. Click "expand" read: MS NOW’s The Briefing with Jen Psaki November 18, 2025 9:17:43 p.m. EST (…) JEN PSAKI: In your experience of what you were asked to do, I know that Epstein himself, of course, was a predator. Were you — did you travel to the island? SHARLENE ROCHARD: Yes, I did. I was in New York, Miami and on the island. PSAKI: Did you travel to Mar-a-Lago? ROCHARD: Yes, I did. PSAKI: And how did you arrive at Mar-a-Lago? How did you end up going to Mar-a-Lago? Was he — did he send you there? Were you told to go there? How did that happen? ROCHARD: There were a lot of model parties at the Mar-a-Lago. Different people would set them up, different magazines, and a limo would come, and you'd jump in the limo and you'd go. PSAKI: And Jeffrey Epstein or someone who worked for him would tell you to go there? ROCHARD: No, it was just a place where something was held, a party was held, and people would go to different events. PSAKI: This is about so much more than one person, Jeffrey Epstein, or Ghislaine Maxwell or Donald Trump. But because Donald Trump is a person who, of course, owns Mar-a-Lago, I just have to ask if you think he was aware of that arrangement. ROCHARD: I don't know if he was aware. Actually, I can't answer that. I'm sorry. PSAKI: And you were in your teens. You were in your teens. And I think, this is important for people to understand, that people were in their teens and were young, and you were a young model and you were handled by a predator. Let me ask you something else, because, again, it's much bigger than a couple of people. Were you trafficked to other people? ROCHARD: What do I — can I — AMANDA ROBERTS: You can say yes, but you don't have to name names. ROCHARD: Right. PSAKI: You only share — ROCHARD: Sorry. ROBERTS: Yeah — no, it’s okay. PSAKI: — what you want to share. You don't have to be sorry for anything. And I'm asking you this because I think it's important to understand, as people do understand about Virginia's story, that it's not about just one person or two people. It's much bigger than that. You can share whatever you want to share. ROCHARD: Terrible things had happened to me within my time with dealing with Jeffrey Epstein. I had encounters with people that I would rather not have. (…)

Sunny Hostin, the staunchly racist co-host of ABC News’s The Views, was on a roll this week between declaring on Monday’s show that America was “founded” on “racism and slavery;” then doubling down on Tuesday’s edition of their Behind the Table podcast, saying “this country still is sickened” with such things. In a bitter rant during Monday’s show, reacting to former First Lady Michelle Obama’s comments attacking America for not electing a woman yet, Hostin gave her take “as an afro-Latina” lashing out at America as racist: Because of my lived experience as an afro-Latina, I'm able to look at this world with a different prism and I'm able to tell this country and tell this audience and tell my fellow co-hosts some uncomfortable truths. This is a country based on racism and slavery and founded in it. There is systemic racism. And misogyny "I never met anyone that raises their hand and says, I'm racist,” she continued to attack Americans who voted for President Trump. “However, there are people that seem to be able to look the other way when it comes to racism. So you have a president who traffics in misogyny, who traffics in xenophobia, who traffics in sexism. And won against a black woman."   Staunchly racist Sunny Hostin lashes out at America for not electing a woman for president: "Because of my lived experience an afro-Latina, I'm able to look at this world with a different prism and I'm able to tell this country and tell this audience and tell my fellow co-hosts… pic.twitter.com/dKWaCYbFPX — Nicholas Fondacaro (@NickFondacaro) November 17, 2025   Fast forward to Tuesday’s podcast and executive producer Brian Teta mentioned her comment “had a lot of people talking online.” In discussion about wokeism, Hostin doubled down and asserted that America was still “sickened with” what she was talking about: TETA: Well, the word “woke” just has been completely co-opted and changed into something different. HOSTIN: It’s been co-opted and bastardized but yeah. I believe that to be aware of inequity and injustice is to be woke. And so now, they've turned it around like it's a bad thing to be aware that someone is suffering that someone doesn't have the same opportunity. And I just – I think it's ridiculous that people don't see what this country was founded on and what this country still is sickened with. “It's a sick country. It’s a racist country,” she declared.   On The View's podcast, Sunny Hostin doubles down her anti-Americanism, that the country was and is still about racism and slavery: "I think it's ridiculous that people don't see what this country was founded on and what this country still is sickened with. it's a sick country.… pic.twitter.com/m6KYfPIUDC — Nicholas Fondacaro (@NickFondacaro) November 19, 2025   Later in the podcast, Hostin scoffed at the idea of being racist toward whites: A lot of it for me is a little bit different because it when you think about it. You have the Department of Justice suing law firms or investigating law firms for anti-white racism. I mean think about that they tried to sue investigate Perkins Coie, this law firm that only has three percent black lawyers there. Where is the discrimination? What she conveniently omitted was how the firm allegedly announced that they would be implementing racial quotas for their hiring processes, according to the White House. “So that's what I'm talking about in terms of this country. You know, white supremacy is – it has become a big thing. And not talking about it doesn't make it go away,” she sneered. Teta brought the conversation back to Obama’s comments about America not being ready to elect a woman. Of course, Hostin agreed with her queen that it would happen “not in my life time.”   Hostin continued to spew racial resentment toward whites as she claims that America would never elect a black woman, and could more likely elect a "white conservative woman" even before a liberal one. "Possible, but there's a lot of misogyny in this country as well, and sexism,"… pic.twitter.com/euHQTM4sS3 — Nicholas Fondacaro (@NickFondacaro) November 19, 2025   Hostin soon amended that position to add a touch of racism: “Maybe a woman, but not a black woman, ever. Not in my lifetime. (…) A white conservative woman, yes.” Which she quickly tried dial back as well: “Possible, but there's a lot of misogyny in this country as well, and sexism.” Clearly, Hostin’s “lived experience” is chronic racial grievance. The transcript is below. Click "expand" to read: ABC’s Behind the Table November 18, 2025 10:52 (…) BRIAN TETA: Sunny delivered some of what she called “uncomfortable truths” about racism in this country. SUNNY HOSTIN: Yeah. TETA: And that had a lot of people talking online HOSTIN: And sexism. TETA: And sexism that was really – JOY BEHAR: I think that somebody said, this is not original. I forget which politician said it that wokeism is about racism really. Do you agree with that. TETA: Well, the word “woke” just has been completely co-opted and changed into something different. SUNNY HOSTIN: It’s been co-opted and bastardized but yeah. I believe that to be aware of inequity and injustice is to be woke. And so now, they've turned it around like it's a bad thing to be aware that someone is suffering that someone doesn't have the same opportunity. And I just – I think it's ridiculous that people don't see what this country was founded on and what this country still is sickened with. It's a sick country. It’s a racist country. (…) 12:29 HOSTIN: A lot of it for me is a little bit different because it when you think about it. You have the Department of Justice suing law firms or investigating law firms for anti-white racism. I mean think about that they tried to sue investigate Perkins Coie, this law firm that only has three percent black lawyers there. Where is the discrimination? So they’ve – BEHAR: How many white lawyers do they have? TETA: 97 percent. HOSITN: 97 percent. Yet, they're being – they were investigated BEHAR: That’s ridiculous! HOSTIN: - by the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division. BEHAR: They're under Trump? HOSTIN: Yes. BEHAR: Oh, well. HOSTIN: So that's what I'm talking about in terms of this country. You know, white supremacy is – it has become a big thing. And not talking about it doesn't make it go away. TETA: Well, going back to the Michelle Obama conversation. On the other side of it, right now after Election Day this year, there are 14 women leading states as governors in 2026, 10 Democrat, four Republican. Does that give you any hope that the country will get to a place where they feel comfortable with it? HOSTIN: Not in my lifetime, but yeah. BEHAR: I don't know. There’s Spanberger and the other one, I think could be in the running. TETA: Not that it's necessarily them but just that the idea that the country is getting more comfortable with women leaders, or do you think there's a difference between – HOSTIN: Maybe a woman, but not a black woman, ever. Not in my lifetime. BEHAR: Yeah, well, there's always action then reaction, action reaction. TETA: That's what I'm kind of hopeful for. I'm hopeful that things swing the other direction. BEHAR: It's possible that somebody like a Liz Cheney could win being – if she wasn't in the – a dog house with her own party right now, she could be somebody who could run. I think maybe a conservative one would win faster than a liberal. It’s possible. TETA: A lot of people think that. A lot of people think a conservative woman might win first. HOSTIN: A white conservative woman, yes. BEHAR: Maybe. Maybe. HOSTIN: Possible, but there's a lot of misogyny in this country as well, and sexism. (…)