The new and improved  CBS Evening News burst upon the scene with a fundamental promise of getting the story right. While this new iteration is a significant improvement over prior news product, there remain opportunities for improvement. Case in point, the most recent reporting out of Minneapolis. Correspondent Nicole Sganga is, for some reason, still on the scene in Minneapolis. The last time we examined Sganga’s reporting, she referred to the shooting of Renee Nicole Good as a “murder”. Now, she is framing the DHS as dishonest by default when talking about jail cooperation- a key component to helping keep ICE off the streets and out of dangerous situations. Her report begins with a setting meant to evoke fear: the empty Hmong marketplace, and a chat with the mayor of St. Paul, who claims that her parents are more afraid of ICE than of the communists during the Secret War in Laos.  Sganga’s then video package runs reel of the ICE official denouncing the state’s release of illegals in police or state custody. Sganga brings on the director of the state’s correctional system to refute ICE. Watch: WATCH: ICE official denounces Minnesota's release of criminal aliens in police or state custody", prior to CBS correspondent Nicole Sganga bringing on the director of the correctional system to refute. No consideration of the county jails. pic.twitter.com/tYc1YD88WJ — Jorge Bonilla (@BonillaJL) January 22, 2026 MARCOS CHARLES: Since President Trump took office one year ago today, the state of Minnesota has released nearly 500 criminal aliens who were in police or state custody, rather than turning them over to ICE. PAUL SCHNELL: If ICE has a detainer, they want them to take custody of them. We will facilitate the transfer of custody. Period. SGANGA: Commissioner Paul Schnell oversees Minnesota's Department of Corrections, including the state’s prison system.  Does it feel like the Department of Homeland Security is lying when it says that state authorities are not cooperating? SCHNELL: It is fundamentally false. We cooperate with ICE And ICE detainers. We have, as a matter of policy, done that for a long, long time. SGANGA: The Department of Homeland Security says roughly 450 criminals have been released into Minnesota's streets. And you say you don't know where that number comes from? SCHNELL: We have no idea where that number comes from. We know we released 84 people -- SGANGA: To ICE SCHNELL: -to ICE that were subject to detainers. And so this notion that Minnesota is not honoring federal ICE detainers is utterly untrue. State correctional agencies typically have oversight over state prisons and, in some states, juvenile detention facilities. These entities are separate from county jails, and so it is entirely plausible that there would be a discrepancy between what the state has and what DHS has.  The main sticking point with ICE has always been access into the county jails. Sanctuary jurisdictions deny ICE the access to detain illegal aliens housed in county jails. This is where the numerical discrepancy might come from. But this is never explored. ICE is left holding the bag and appearing to look deceitful. Narrative construction clearly on display. A reasonable individual might think that this is a minor distinction hardly worth examining. But once a correspondent refers to an unfortunate agent-involved shooting as a “murder,” without evidence, then it becomes time to examine everything else. Click “expand” to view the full transcript of the aforementioned transcript as aired on the CBS Evening News on Wednesday, January 21st, 2025: TONY DOKOUPIL: We are going to turn to new developments in the Trump administration's immigration crackdown. Late today, we received a copy of an internal ICE memo authorizing federal agents to forcibly enter homes without a warrant from a judge. The directive was provided to Congress by whistleblowers who say this goes against standard training in the Department of Homeland Security. Tonight, Nicole Sganga has new reporting on how immigrants in Minnesota are responding to what is happening there. NICOLE SGANGA: In St. Paul, Minnesota’s Hmong Village, empty stalls line a once-busy marketplace. KAOHLY HER: On a normal day, all of these stalls would be open. SGANGA: It’s a sign, the city's mayor explains, of the deeply rooted fear spreading within immigrant communities. HER: They’re afraid to leave their homes, they’re afraid to let their children go to school. SGANGA: Mayor Kaohly Her says that fear has driven naturalized U.S. citizens, including her own parents, to hide in their homes. HER: When I talk to them they’re telling me they are more afraid now than they were fighting communism in Laos during the Secret War. SGANGA: Top Homeland Security officials have declared Operation Metro Surge, laser focused on arresting what DHS calls the worst of the worst, convicted felons and violent offenders, accusing Minnesota officials of not cooperating. MARCOS CHARLES: Since President Trump took office one year ago today, the state of Minnesota has released nearly 500 criminal aliens who were in police or state custody, rather than turning them over to ICE. PAUL SCHNELL: If ICE has a detainer, they want them to take custody of them. We will facilitate the transfer of custody. Period. SGANGA: Commissioner Paul Schnell oversees Minnesota's Department of Corrections, including the state’s prison system.  Does it feel like the Department of Homeland Security is lying when it says that state authorities are not cooperating? SCHNELL: It is fundamentally false. We cooperate with ICE And ICE detainers. We have, as a matter of policy, done that for a long, long time. SGANGA: The Department of Homeland Security says roughly 450 criminals have been released into Minnesota's streets. And you say you don't know where that number comes from? SCHNELL: We have no idea where that number comes from. We know we released 84 people -- SGANGA: To ICE SCHNELL: -to ICE that were subject to detainers. And so this notion that Minnesota is not honoring federal ICE detainers is utterly untrue. SGANGA: CBS News reached out to the Department of Homeland Security for clarity. The department responded just moments ago, doubling down on their numbers. They again are asking Minnesota elected officials to honor all ice detainers. Tony. DOKOUPIL: Nicole, thank you very much.  

Under Trump, the media elites treat the executive branch as an evil empire, but under Biden, journalists were so eager to help promote the Democrats that they sometimes offered their sources the ability to edit their articles to their liking. New documents shared exclusively with MRC Business just exposed the latest example of elitist media hacks violating every modicum of journalistic integrity to genuflect to the Biden administration’s whims and wishes.  Forbes contributor Rhett Buttle and his associate Abdullah Kahn offered to delay a story schmoozing President Joe Biden’s Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Michael Regan on his “environmental justice” focus until his team had a chance to address the catastrophic February 3, 2023, train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, according to emails obtained by the Functional Government Initiative. The incident had led to a controlled explosion and the spewing of hazardous fumes into the atmosphere, with reports of groundwater damage, dead animals and health issues circulating. Both Buttle and Khan attempted to take some of the media pressure off of the Biden administration by postponing publication of the interview until the political heat died down, even though they had been in communication with the EPA about the interview since at least December 2022. Twenty-four days following the disaster, Khan asked then-EPA deputy press secretary Tim Carroll February 27, “I know we originally planned to have this piece close out Black History Month with some of the excellent content you provided us on environmental justice, and we are set to post tomorrow.” He continued, “However, given what's going on in Ohio at the moment, we wanted to know if your office would potentially like for us to add a question and response about the situation, or would like us to hold the piece until a later date?” Buttle responded some minutes later, “We can do that!”  Why would Forbes leave the option open to pass up an opportunity to grill the Biden EPA on its mishandling of a major ecological disaster if it’s not because they were intentionally acting as the Biden public relations arm? In a January 27, 2023, email, Khan already showed a willingness to hand the editorial reins over to the Biden EPA, before the train disaster even happened: We've put together a draft list of questions below that we think would be good for the piece. If you have any edits or would like to add additional questions, let us know and we'd be happy to adjust. If you could give us an idea of when you think we'll be able to have responses, that would be greatly appreciated. This shows that the interview was always intended as a positive, administration-friendly piece on "environmental justice" and Black History Month. DEI at EPA was a good-news story. Complicating matters further is that we found Buttle on OpenSecrets as a Biden donor, having given $1,000 to his 2020 campaign and indicating a glaring conflict of interest.  Buttle isn't really a journalist first, but runs a PR shop called Public Private Strategies. In 2016, he worked for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign as a liaison to the business sector. Khan continued, essentially handing editorial direction over to the Biden EPA: Hi Tim, This is the question we're thinking of adding to the interview. If it's good with you, please provide your response ASAP: The EPA has been at work handling the recent trainwreck in East Palestine, Ohio for the past couple weeks. What updates would you share about the response?” Carroll, assuming the role as Forbes de facto editor, pushed for the piece to be published during Black History Month to give greater focus to the Biden administration’s woke bona fides. “Thanks Abdullah, we'd welcome the opportunity to address the ongoing response to the train derailment in Ohio but would really like this to land during BHM (with apologies again for the delay on our end.)” Buttle and Khan apparently obliged, as the interview would be published on February 28, the last day of Black History Month, with the promotional headline, “Engagement With The Business Sector And Environmental Justice: A Conversation With U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Michael S. Regan.” Nowhere in the puff piece did Forbes editors disclose that Buttle was tagged as one of Biden’s donors. Reading how Buttle teed up Regan’s answers regurgitated by Carroll made his conflict of interest even more damning: “As we close out Black History Month, I recently had the opportunity to speak with Administrator Regan about his work at EPA, initiatives with the business community and work on environmental justice. I appreciate him taking the time and below is a summary of our conversation.” A Regan statement that Caroll forwarded to Buttle and Khan was published in its entirety, with no pushback given: EPA will be with the community of East Palestine every step of the way – we will not leave until the job is done and until they feel at home once again. Under the Biden-Harris Administration, we are committed to delivering justice for all communities facing environmental challenges, from East Palestine, Ohio, to Jackson, Mississippi to McDowell County, West Virginia, and we will continue this work to ensure all people have healthy lands to enjoy, clean air to breath, and safe water to drink. Buttle and Khan — in the email chain — didn’t bring up reporting at the time that the Biden administration initially denied East Palestine, Ohio disaster relief as a result of the incident. Fox News reported Feb. 16 that Governor Mike DeWine (R-OH) spokesperson Dan Tierney said the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) denied federal aid because it “believed the [train derailment] incident didn't qualify as a traditional disaster, such as a tornado or hurricane, for which it usually provides assistance.” Buttle didn’t address this in his propaganda item either. Additional context provided some insight as to why Biden’s FEMA did not initially pursue providing aid for that particular area.  Biden released details on a new executive order advancing racial equity on Feb. 16, the same day as the Fox News report. Biden claimed his goal was to “advance an ambitious, whole-of-government approach to racial equity and support for underserved communities and to continuously embed [racial] equity into all aspects of Federal decision-making.” Could that have included FEMA’s decision-making? According to the demographic breakdown at the time, East Palestine was 93.5 percent white, three percent Hispanic, and only 0.36 percent black. The Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics stipulates that journalists should “Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived. Disclose unavoidable conflicts. Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and avoid political and other outside activities that may compromise integrity or impartiality, or may damage credibility.” Failure to disclose a contributor’s donations to the Biden administration and offering for the president’s flunkies to guide publication scheduling and content shows that Forbes just willfully trampled all over the aforementioned principles with impunity. Buttle and Khan delivered "special treatment" to Biden’s EPA on a silver platter. If you’re wondering why Americans' trust for the media is in the toilet, this is just another one of the plethora of examples why.  Forbes did not respond to MRC Business’s request for comment as of the publication of this report.  Read the December 2022- February 2023 email chain between Buttle, Khan and the Biden EPA below. Forbes_EPA.pdf-1768941511205.pdf

The new and improved  CBS Evening News burst upon the scene with a fundamental promise of getting the story right. While this new iteration is a significant improvement over prior news product, there remain opportunities for improvement. Case in point, the most recent reporting out of Minneapolis. Correspondent Nicole Sganga is, for some reason, still on the scene in Minneapolis. The last time we examined Sganga’s reporting, she referred to the shooting of Renee Nicole Good as a “murder”. Now, she is framing the DHS as dishonest by default when talking about jail cooperation- a key component to helping keep ICE off the streets and out of dangerous situations. Her report begins with a setting meant to evoke fear: the empty Hmong marketplace, and a chat with the mayor of St. Paul, who claims that her parents are more afraid of ICE than of the communists during the Secret War in Laos.  Sganga’s then video package runs reel of the ICE official denouncing the state’s release of illegals in police or state custody. Sganga brings on the director of the state’s correctional system to refute ICE. Watch: WATCH: ICE official denounces Minnesota's release of criminal aliens in police or state custody", prior to CBS correspondent Nicole Sganga bringing on the director of the correctional system to refute. No consideration of the county jails. pic.twitter.com/tYc1YD88WJ — Jorge Bonilla (@BonillaJL) January 22, 2026 MARCOS CHARLES: Since President Trump took office one year ago today, the state of Minnesota has released nearly 500 criminal aliens who were in police or state custody, rather than turning them over to ICE. PAUL SCHNELL: If ICE has a detainer, they want them to take custody of them. We will facilitate the transfer of custody. Period. SGANGA: Commissioner Paul Schnell oversees Minnesota's Department of Corrections, including the state’s prison system.  Does it feel like the Department of Homeland Security is lying when it says that state authorities are not cooperating? SCHNELL: It is fundamentally false. We cooperate with ICE And ICE detainers. We have, as a matter of policy, done that for a long, long time. SGANGA: The Department of Homeland Security says roughly 450 criminals have been released into Minnesota's streets. And you say you don't know where that number comes from? SCHNELL: We have no idea where that number comes from. We know we released 84 people -- SGANGA: To ICE SCHNELL: -to ICE that were subject to detainers. And so this notion that Minnesota is not honoring federal ICE detainers is utterly untrue. State correctional agencies typically have oversight over state prisons and, in some states, juvenile detention facilities. These entities are separate from county jails, and so it is entirely plausible that there would be a discrepancy between what the state has and what DHS has.  The main sticking point with ICE has always been access into the county jails. Sanctuary jurisdictions deny ICE the access to detain illegal aliens housed in county jails. This is where the numerical discrepancy might come from. But this is never explored. ICE is left holding the bag and appearing to look deceitful. Narrative construction clearly on display. A reasonable individual might think that this is a minor distinction hardly worth examining. But once a correspondent refers to an unfortunate agent-involved shooting as a “murder,” without evidence, then it becomes time to examine everything else. Click “expand” to view the full transcript of the aforementioned transcript as aired on the CBS Evening News on Wednesday, January 21st, 2025: TONY DOKOUPIL: We are going to turn to new developments in the Trump administration's immigration crackdown. Late today, we received a copy of an internal ICE memo authorizing federal agents to forcibly enter homes without a warrant from a judge. The directive was provided to Congress by whistleblowers who say this goes against standard training in the Department of Homeland Security. Tonight, Nicole Sganga has new reporting on how immigrants in Minnesota are responding to what is happening there. NICOLE SGANGA: In St. Paul, Minnesota’s Hmong Village, empty stalls line a once-busy marketplace. KAOHLY HER: On a normal day, all of these stalls would be open. SGANGA: It’s a sign, the city's mayor explains, of the deeply rooted fear spreading within immigrant communities. HER: They’re afraid to leave their homes, they’re afraid to let their children go to school. SGANGA: Mayor Kaohly Her says that fear has driven naturalized U.S. citizens, including her own parents, to hide in their homes. HER: When I talk to them they’re telling me they are more afraid now than they were fighting communism in Laos during the Secret War. SGANGA: Top Homeland Security officials have declared Operation Metro Surge, laser focused on arresting what DHS calls the worst of the worst, convicted felons and violent offenders, accusing Minnesota officials of not cooperating. MARCOS CHARLES: Since President Trump took office one year ago today, the state of Minnesota has released nearly 500 criminal aliens who were in police or state custody, rather than turning them over to ICE. PAUL SCHNELL: If ICE has a detainer, they want them to take custody of them. We will facilitate the transfer of custody. Period. SGANGA: Commissioner Paul Schnell oversees Minnesota's Department of Corrections, including the state’s prison system.  Does it feel like the Department of Homeland Security is lying when it says that state authorities are not cooperating? SCHNELL: It is fundamentally false. We cooperate with ICE And ICE detainers. We have, as a matter of policy, done that for a long, long time. SGANGA: The Department of Homeland Security says roughly 450 criminals have been released into Minnesota's streets. And you say you don't know where that number comes from? SCHNELL: We have no idea where that number comes from. We know we released 84 people -- SGANGA: To ICE SCHNELL: -to ICE that were subject to detainers. And so this notion that Minnesota is not honoring federal ICE detainers is utterly untrue. SGANGA: CBS News reached out to the Department of Homeland Security for clarity. The department responded just moments ago, doubling down on their numbers. They again are asking Minnesota elected officials to honor all ice detainers. Tony. DOKOUPIL: Nicole, thank you very much.  

Monday marked Martin Luther King Jr. Day, a national holiday honoring a man best remembered for urging Americans to judge one another by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. It is a legacy rooted in a specific historical struggle -- one that culminated in the Civil Rights Act after years of fierce resistance, largely from Southern Democrats, to dismantling Jim Crow. Since that era ended, the Democratic Party has repeatedly searched for what might come next: a successor to the civil rights movement that once defined its moral authority. Over the decades, a series of causes have been framed in those terms, often with strained comparisons to the racial discrimination of the mid-20th century. First came a movement centered on gender, casting women as victims of a patriarchal system in a way likened to black Americans’ experience under segregation. The analogy never quite fit. Later, similar language was applied to issues of sexual orientation and gender identity, with LGBTQ+ advocacy presented as the new front line of civil rights. Now, Democrats appear to have settled on a new cause: illegal immigration. In this framing, enforcing immigration law is portrayed not merely as a policy disagreement but as an expression of white supremacy itself. Illegal immigrants, the argument goes, must be allowed to remain in the country, and any attempt at enforcement is morally suspect. This is a stretch -- one that suggests demand for examples of systemic American racism has outpaced the available supply. Consider a recent example. On Monday, former Attorney General Eric Holder warned that the Voting Rights Act faces an abiding threat, claiming that the Trump administration is pursuing “unprecedented mid-decade gerrymandering attempts” and engaging in a “concerted effort to resegregate America.”      Such rhetoric dramatically overshoots reality. There is no serious movement in the United States to reinstate segregated schools, water fountains, restaurants or public accommodations. No credible constituency is calling for a return to Jim Crow, and no sentient observer believes America is on the verge of enforced racial separation. In fact, the post-Jim Crow story of race in America was, for decades, one of steadily improving relations. Polling data show that until around 2013, large majorities of both black and white Americans believed race relations were getting better and had improved significantly since the 1960s. That perception changed during the later Obama years and the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, which coincided with a sharp decline in public optimism about race relations. But declining optimism is not the same as renewed racial oppression, nor does it suggest that white supremacy now rules the roost. Yet the search continues. Democrats need a new civil rights struggle to justify claims of moral urgency and political authority. That case has become increasingly difficult to make. The party is now defined, for many voters, by abortion on demand, an inability to articulate basic distinctions about sex and gender, and a posture approaching open borders. So illegal immigration is being folded into the civil rights narrative. History suggests that this, too, will fall short. Ben Shapiro is a graduate of UCLA and Harvard Law School, host of “The Ben Shapiro Show,” and co-founder of Daily Wire+. He is a three-time New York Times bestselling author. To find out more about Ben Shapiro and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate website at www.creators.com. COPYRIGHT 2026 CREATORS.COM

On Wednesday’s CNN This Morning, the network attempted to downplay possible criminal charges against protestors involved in storming a Saint Paul, Minnesota church in the recent anti-ICE unrest. CNN guest Sarah Krissoff, a former federal prosecutor for the Southern District of New York, minimized the threat of arrests while complaining about so-called political persecutions of Minnesota Democrats. Guest host Erica Hill introduced the segment with news of subpoenas being issued to Democratic Minnesota leaders, including Governor Tim Walz, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, and Attorney General Keith Ellison.      “I was speaking with another former federal prosecutor yesterday who said this is highly unusual. This is not the way the DOJ does business. You don't issue a subpoena if you're potentially investigating someone,” Hill said. Krissoff agreed and rambled through an answer worrying of a pending clash between state and federal officials: Yeah, I mean, if they want to be overt about it, they certainly can, you know, issue a subpoena to someone. The really sort of unprecedented issue here is the nature of this investigation. (…) It just really sets up this showdown between the federal and local and state officials here. Hill then asked Krissoff about possible criminal action taken against anti-ICE agitators, which included disgraced former CNN host Don Lemon, who stormed a Minnesota church during its Sunday service. Hill did mention how the church was a private space and how there was a right to religion in that place, but played dumb about alleged violations of the FACE Act: And when we look at potential charges, when it comes to the protesters who were at that church in Saint Paul on Sunday - you know, we're hearing from protesters right to free speech. This is a private space, though, and there is, of course, also right to, to, to religion in that space. How do you see that playing out? This is what's calling it, I believe it's called the FACE Act, which is a lot of, which is a lot of what we're hearing. What could those charges potentially be? In response to Hill’s mention of the FACE Act, which was used against pro-life protestors during the Biden Administration, Krissoff remained fully skeptical of charges being able to survive a jury trial.  Instead of talking about the actual merits of criminal charges, Krissoff complained about the DOJ using too much force. “Yeah, a lot of these sort of circumstances, in addition, sort of the circumstances regarding the church, they seem like, you know, there are threats of charges. There are, there is, you know - the DOJ is very clearly trying to bring the full force of itself down upon people,” Krissoff responded. The segment concluded with Krissoff decrying perceived political persecutions, again basically scoffing at the premise of Hill’s question about the FACE Act: “But at the end of the day, it is very hard to imagine these types of charges stick and that they go forward and - ultimately criminal charges in our country have to be decided by a jury, right? The DOJ doesn't get to decide whether someone is guilty or not.” No mention of criminal campaigns taken against Trump by the likes of New York Attorney General Letitia James or New York City District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who got elected running on the political persecution of Trump. CNN squeezed the mention of the Minnesota church incident in a segment dominated by outrage over Trump DOJ actions in Minnesota, spawned by the state’s rampant fraud crisis. Of course, it is not unexpected, but CNN and their guest decided to not give the trending story any credence.  The transcript is below. Expand to read: CNN This Morning January 21, 2026 6:30:00 a.m. Eastern ERICA HILL: The Justice Department, meantime, is hitting at least five Minnesota officials with subpoenas, including Governor Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, as well as the state's attorney general, Keith Ellison, the Mayor of Saint Paul, and a local county attorney. It's all part of a federal investigation, we’re told, into alleged obstruction of immigration enforcement efforts. And it comes as Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem warns of arrests coming in connection to anti-ICE protests at a Minnesota church in Saint Paul over the weekend. [Cuts to video] KRISTI NOEM (DHS Secretary): And that pastor really did a remarkable thing there, trying to protect his parishioners. [Transition] And there's going to be arrests in the next several hours. [Transition] There will be arrests tied to that, and people will be brought to justice for how they violated the law in that situation. [Cuts back to live] HILL: Joining me now to discuss is Sarah Kristof. She's a former federal prosecutor for the Southern District of New York. Sarah, it's good to have you with us. I want to start. If we could, on these subpoenas, which are reportedly being issued. We're talking about officials here. I was speaking with another former federal prosecutor yesterday who said this is highly unusual. This is not the way the DOJ does business. You don't issue a subpoena if you're potentially investigating someone. SARAH KRISSOFF: Yeah, I mean, if they want to be overt about it, they certainly can, you know, issue a subpoena to someone. The really sort of unprecedented issue here is the nature of this investigation. I mean, the - these officials have spoken out against ICE’s Operations. There's been a lawsuit filed that's pending in federal court in - in Minnesota. And so - to - in that context, to then issue a subpoena and say ‘oh, actually, there's a criminal investigation going on here by DOJ, we are now seeking documents from you in connection with that’. It just really sets up this showdown between the federal and local and state officials here. HILL: And that's something I think people are trying to wrap their head around. Part of what we heard from, uh, from Gregory Bovino yesterday is he was saying that some of the local leaders, in his words, and I'm quoting him here, “relied on heated rhetoric and allegations that distract from the facts.” Um, are words enough to lead to criminal charges? KRISSOFF: I mean, listen, the DOJ has very broad discretion to open an investigation, right? They open it on the slimmest of, of innuendo or belief. But to bring charges is an entirely different thing, which is what we've seen, frankly, in connection with these other politically motivated prosecutions of, of, of politicians that have been unsuccessful in other jurisdictions. So, I mean, I think it is, it is one thing to issue a subpoena and sort of, you know, try to make a show of force here. I think it will be an entirely different thing to try to proceed with some sort of charges or any type of charges, frankly.  [DISCUSSION ON CHURCH] HILL: And when we look at potential charges, when it comes to the protesters who were at that church in Saint Paul on Sunday - you know, we're hearing from protesters right to free speech. This is a private space, though, and there is, of course, also right to, to, to religion in that space. How do you see that playing out? This is what's calling it, I believe it's called the FACE Act, which is a lot of, which is a lot of what we're hearing. What could those charges potentially be? KRISSOFF: Yeah, a lot of these sort of circumstances, in addition, sort of the circumstances regarding the church, they seem like, you know, there are threats of charges. There are people are arrested. There are, there is, you know - the DOJ is very clearly trying to bring the full force of itself down upon people. But at the end of the day, it is very hard to imagine these types of charges stick and that they go forward and - ultimately criminal charges in our country have to be decided by a jury, right? The DOJ doesn't get to decide whether someone is guilty or not.” HILL: It is an excellent point. You talk about - but you talk about the government bringing the full force. We also have, of course, The Washington Post reporting DOJ is bringing in additional prosecutors to help when it comes to cases related to anti-ICE protests amid a staffing shortage. This comes on the heels of, I believe it was six prosecutors in Minnesota who resigned last week, although Pam Bondi then went on to say she was going to fire them. What does all this do in terms of pressure on prosecutors in this moment? KRISSOFF: It is very difficult to be a prosecutor in the Department of Justice at the moment. So there is a shortage of prosecutors across the DOJ, and there is also a shortage of career prosecutors, many folks who have been there for many years have that expertise and knowledge, how to bring these cases, how to proceed with them judiciously, have left the Department of Justice. There was a real flight from the Department of Justice. And so they are - the the DOJ is understaffed generally at the moment, and they are really scrambling to sort of do the work and then to be pulled in all of these different directions, right. To be told on Monday they're doing one thing and Tuesday they're doing another, and Wednesday they're investigating yet another, you know, political enemy really hinders the work that they are doing. It makes it very hard for them to do the work and, frankly, unlikely that any of these politically prosecuted, politically motivated prosecutions will go anywhere. HILL: Sara, really appreciate your insight on this. Thank you. KRISSOFF: Thank you.