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What’s Next After Trump’s Maduro Arrest
In this episode of “The Tony Kinnett Cast,” Tony Kinnett speaks with Andres Martinez-Fernandez of The Heritage Foundation on what comes next for Venezuela after the greatest military strike in recent history.
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TONY KINNETT: Let’s get into some of what this actually means for the rest of the country here in the United States and abroad. So, you’re going to need someone a little bit more learned on this than I am. I know very, very hard to believe. So, we’re going to bring on the one and the only Andres Martinez-Fernandez. He’s the senior policy analyst for Latin America at The Heritage Foundation.
So, he reads this stuff all the time in English and in Spanish. Andres, busy weekend, huh?
ANDRES MARTINEZ-FERNANDEZ: Definitely, quite an eventful start of the year.
TONY KINNETT: So, let’s get right into it and not futz around anymore. There’s been the quibbling, the complaining from some isolated parts of the country that, “what does this have to do with America first?” Take it.
ANDRES MARTINEZ-FERNANDEZ: Well, I think it has everything to do with America first. And that’s protecting the American people from live, active, and deadly threats in our own hemisphere.
You know, people like to say that this is this is just like, you know, nation building in the Middle East and all the mistakes that we’ve made in the past with our foreign policy.
TONY KINNETT: Right. Anyone I don’t like is a neo-con and other stories to tell yourself.
ANDRES MARTINEZ-FERNANDEZ: Right, exactly, exactly. But you know what, the reality is that the Venezuelan narco-threats, and the narco-threats within our own hemisphere, which are by far the most dramatic and deadly for the American people. You know we’re talking about 100,000 overdose deaths a year from narcotics alone.
TONY KINNETT: Right.
ANDRES MARTINEZ-FERNANDEZ: And that’s not even getting into the weaponization of migration and instability that the American people and American cities have lived with for years.
All of this has really been ignored by the Washington establishment for decades.
You’ve never really seen a serious attention, as far as the foreign policy priorities of the United States to these issues, until President Trump decided that he’s going to break with that. Really what’s a noxious practice of ignoring these core security threats to the United States.
And again, this is what affects middle America far more than what happens in parts of the Middle East, in Europe. You know, this is our hemisphere. This is where we live. And ignoring that in a prioritization of issues that some of the establishment prefers to focus on has had deadly consequences for the American people.
TONY KINNETT: And there’s definitely no denying that.
I do want to ask, of course, we could talk about the ladies on “The View” and their opposition to this. Oh, it’s piracy. Oh, it’s kidnapping.
But we are adults in the room. We’ll let the toddlers run off and yell at each other. So, in all seriousness, there was a lot of Russia outposting, a lot of Xi Jinping’s China outposting in Venezuela.
This was a launching point for a lot of the precursor chemicals that we saw going sky high in a lot of those MQ-9 and naval strikes happening on those narco boats, something that I just can’t stop watching. It’s too enjoyable to watch narco and human traffickers going sky high!
But with that particular foreign intervention in the region, China and Russia got out the sabers and they started shaking them. We’re talking shaking them like skeletons at a Spirit Halloween. So, what in the world does this actually mean for us?
Are we actually going see any intervention at all or any diplomatic snub nosing that’s going to be worth anything? Or is the U.N. going to yell for 30 seconds and it’d be over?
ANDRES MARTINEZ-FERNANDEZ: Yeah, I think there’s a lot of posturing that we’re seeing and going to continue to see from entities like the U.N. and certainly our adversaries. Russia and China, Iran, have used Venezuela as an outpost in our hemisphere to undermine our interests and undermine our security.
So they’re very upset to lose that outpost, which which I think they’re very much on the way to doing.
You know, Nicolas Maduro had opened up not only his oil industry and essentially handed that over to Havana, China, Russia, and Iran.
But he’s also opened up Venezuela’s national territory, which again, the distance between Venezuela and the U.S. mainland is equivalent to the distance between New York and Texas. This is right in our neighborhood, and there’s nothing between us except for open waters. So that’s left us vulnerable. And it means we need to address that, when particularly when hostile foreign powers and like China and Russia are operating there.
TONY KINNETT: One of the benefits about actually talking to someone who studies these things in detail, up close rather than just your broad 30,000-foot influence is you can tell me when someone says they’re manufacturing arm for foreign terrorist organizations or foreign powers have happened in Venezuela. What kind of things was Venezuela putting together? You know, not just, well, crude oil and jerry cans, because obviously they couldn’t refine it. What kind of weapons was Venezuela participating in manufacturing?
ANDRES MARTINEZ-FERNANDEZ: Yeah. Well, there was a lot of weapons that were transferred, certainly to the narco-trafficking groups in our hemisphere. Venezuela and the Venezuelan regime made itself a proactive partner of these groups.
And, as a result, saw a significant amount of Venezuelan military weaponry making its way into their hands. And they used that to ensure that they could produce and traffic drugs to the United States and elsewhere.
So, that was, again, a key aspect of that relationship. And it’s not just the weapons. There was actually public resources, including institutions like the public oil utility, even state-owned aircraft, that were used in furtherance of narco-trafficking activity.So, it’s a been a broad cooperation that you saw there.
TONY KINNETT: They did in manufacturing suicide drones and Hezbollah equipment, didn’t they? Or is that Columbia?
ANDRES MARTINEZ-FERNANDEZ: Yeah, there was quite a bit of partnership, particularly with Iran, on the development of that capacity. Much of this was really looking at trying to pretend that Venezuela’s regime is still powerful enough to hold off the United States military, which it absolutely wasn’t, as we saw proven.
TONY KINNETT: Oh, gotcha.
ANDRES MARTINEZ-FERNANDEZ: You know, this was this was a regime that was not even a paper tiger. It just folded immediately when faced with the strength of the U.S. military.
And that’s, you know, that calls the bluff of what the Venezuelan regime has been doing for years, which is saying that they can thumb their nose and attack and undermine the United States and stability in our region.
And we can’t do anything about it because they’re so powerful. That’s just not the case.
TONY KINNETT: Sure. I mean, obviously, when you have you know the Cuba Praetorian Guard who’s walking you around and you have Chinese officials caught in the crossfire. I mean, it’s pathetic. I’ve seen subprime military contracting agencies on their last leg that were better suited than these goofballs.
But that’s not a fair comparison.
Maybe the French. I’ve seen better French troops than what’s been going on there.
No, and in all seriousness, one of the core issues on a lot of Americans’ minds is how much this is going to cost the American over a period of time. Obviously, there are some who aren’t serious, who are suggesting this is going to cause a second migration wave to the United States, which I don’t necessarily see that. Maybe they’re seeing something that I’m not. But a lot of people also have the concern that we’re now going to be giving a bunch of aid to propping up a new regime in Venezuela.
What does the future look like? As much as you can gaze into your crystal ball of studies here, what are we seeing in the next couple of months that we should be keeping an eye out for?
ANDRES MARTINEZ-FERNANDEZ: Yeah, no, I definitely don’t think that that’s going to be the case as far as a massive bill to the American taxpayer for reconstructing Venezuela.
First of all, you know, it’s important to note that right now we don’t have anything like an occupying force in Venezuela.
What we have done is very specifically targeted the ringleader of a transnational narco-terrorist group, which was Nicolas Maduro, and taking him off the table.
And now we can use the pressure tools that we have, including sanctions, including the threat of further action, and political pressure to make sure that the remnants of that regime don’t fall in back into that practice of undermining U.S. national security. And that instead they halt narco-trafficking, that they halt hosting the most dangerous adversaries of the United States with a base in our hemisphere. And that they go on a path to a transition, which is going to also restore stability and democracy in Venezuela.
We can do those things through lower-cost tools than we saw in Iraq. And I think a lot of that is external pressure.
But there’s also a lot of resources that can be brought to bear that don’t have to come directly from the American taxpayer. First of all, Venezuela is the country with the largest oil reserves in the world.Venezuela hasn’t been able to tap into that because this regime, socialist regime, is so incompetent and corrupt that they haven’t been able to even maintain an operating oil industry.
“Cuba is Abou to COLLAPSE” – Andres Martinez-Fernandez on What’s Next After Trump’s Maduro Arrest – YouTube
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