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Art & Legacy in The Macabre: A Conversation With Author Kosoko Jackson
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Art & Legacy in The Macabre: A Conversation With Author Kosoko Jackson
“Horror to me is all about taking the intangible and making it tangible and something that can be defeated”
By Martin Cahill
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Published on September 9, 2025
Photo credit: Sara Nicole Lemon
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Photo credit: Sara Nicole Lemon
Recently, Martin Cahill had the opportunity to chat with author Kosoko Jackson (The Forest Demands Its Due, Survive the Dome) to celebrate the release of his adult debut horror novel, The Macabre—a dark fantasy that tells the story of a struggling painter who enters a world of black markets, gothic magic, ancient history, and cursed objects…
Please enjoy their full conversation below!
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Martin Cahill: Thanks so much for joining me here! Congratulations on the forthcoming release of The Macabre; the concept is fantastic and that cover freaked me the hell out, which is how you know it’s working. How are you feeling this close to its release? And does it feel brand new for you, or in conversation with your other work?
Kosoko Jackson: Thanks so much! I’m so excited for the world to get to read The Macabre. You know, it’s a mixed feeling. I’m excited but not nervous. This is one of my most ambitious novels, and I put so much heart and soul into it, but it’s also not my first time around the block. It took me several books to realize that I like writing books that say something, and I think The Macabre has some of the most widespread statements out of all my books. But I’m trying, in this new phase, to swing bigger, say more, and be bolder. Let’s hope it lands!
Martin: I feel like no writer has one way a novel comes to them; can you explain a little of the magic of how The Macabre came to you? Fits and starts? Multiple ideals congealing into one? A seed of an idea that grew?
Kosoko: Sure! The Macabre came to me first with one character: Cassandra. You’ll meet her when you read the book but she is my favorite. I then kinda toyed with how I wanted her to play in this book, this nun searching for salvation in all the wrong ways. I toyed with her as a main character, only in letters, a part of the main group, etc. The book then expanded to art and the importance of art in commentary of our history, our artists and the world at large. Funny enough, the book originally, at this stage, was going to be more straightforward—an inherited home and cursed paintings—but I wanted to try something bolder. I then drafted this sort of ‘espionage heist’ theme and ran with it.
Martin: Art and its power play a major part of this novel, but so does the idea of legacy, familial and cultural, as well as ideas of ownership of that art and legacy… When did this become a conscious choice to play with? Or was it always baked into the concept?
Kosoko: Good question! Moving forward, I try to think of every book as trying to say something. I knew once I narrowed down the international and time aspect of the book that I wanted this book to focus on legacy and culture. Art is so closely tied to culture. Legacy is so closely tied to our history, the legacy we personally leave, our society and our nations leave behind. But also, who gets to decide what that legacy says is important too. Once those ideas came to the forefront, the book clicked into place.
Martin: Entering these paintings is a really awesome fantasy device and plot device in your novel; do you have any works of art in the real world that you would enter if you had the chance? Any you’d desperately avoid?
Kosoko: There is one I’d LOVE to enter, it’s hanging in my home actually. It’s called “A Storm in Rocky Mountains” by Albert Bierstadt. To me, if the afterlife is anything, it’s this. As for paintings I’m SCARED of? Anything with dolls. They creep me out!
Martin: When writing Lewis Dixon, your protagonist, this artist whose goal becomes the destruction of these themes of art and legacy, how did he grow in your mind? Did he ever push back, or surprise you, in that way writers sometimes experience?
Kosoko: Funny enough, main characters are the hardest for me. Side characters usually come fully formed and I think, ‘who is the type of character I want to drive this story?’. Lewis’ hardships for me came from making him feel real and also like a formidable ‘leader’ of the story, when you have magic, cursed paintings, international agencies and the like. He’s just a poor painter from Baltimore. I had to make sure he didn’t get swallowed up by the rest of the story. I think the most surprising thing was how bold he was and the choices he made. I thought he’d be more passive.
Martin: One of your strengths as a writer is definitely your versatility, moving between young adult and adult fiction, and then within those categories exploring romance and slice of life stories, dystopia and now, your last few projects in YA and adult have been centered around Horror, especially. With this being your adult horror debut, what’s been drawing you to that genre as of late? Do you feel this has been a natural evolution of your work as a writer, or has there been a particular inspiration in the last few years?
Kosoko: That is so sweet of you, thank you! Horror to me is all about taking the intangible and making it tangible and something that can be defeated. As I get older, I think more and more about the scarier things in life being things that I cannot see, touch, feel or combat. This story? Legacy, and the ways history can warp the lives of those hundreds of years in the future, and there is little we can do about it. Also colonialism, and the effects of it. I think I want to push myself to write more complex stories, topics and themes. I won’t always stick the landing, but I try to grow with every book. And that to me has been exciting and will continue to excite me.
Martin: It’s no secret that horror as a genre has been booming recently, especially horror work from writers of marginalized communities and identities. What is it about this genre that makes it such a rich space to explore for writers from these communities and these identities? And when you began working in the horror space yourself, in this project and others, what about it made you excited to explore the space? Lastly, when you found your stories, did you find them in conversation with other horror being published, or were you hoping to explore something you hadn’t seen yet?
Kosoko: I think, going off my answer above, one additional thing is that there are just so many ways horror can manifest. It can be fun and cinematic, like slashers. It can be folkloric and haunting, it can be a big physical bad with aliens or big monsters, or it can be subtle and haunting. All of these ways means, I think, anyone can be a horror author. I was excited, and still am, about discussing topics that oftentimes can’t be discussed in other genres, or don’t have a good way to wrap them up. Sometimes I don’t want a happy ending, sometimes I want to end in blood and gore and sorrow. Horror allows that. It’s a way of processing things as a human. I read a lot of current horror to see what themes we were discussing and loved how horror, especially now, isn’t just on the page; it is in the subtext. The themes and true message aren’t just “Beat big bad” it’s often “overcome X trauma” or “process X thing” and that’s so cool.
Martin: The art in this book between sections is absolutely lovely. Were you involved in the creation and curation of them with the publisher and illustrator?
Kosoko: I was a bit! I was asked ‘how do these paintings look’ and to list them and describe them and be able to give feedback on them. It was such a good step and I think it adds such a nice element to the story. It makes it more haunting in my eyes.
Martin: In EW, you said, “If I can make a book that makes someone say, “This scared me like Hereditary or Longlegs did,” I’ll die happy.” What about those movies terrified you, and how did you try to channel them in The Macabre?
Kosoko: I mean, Hereditary is just such a haunting story of legacy, grief and thrills that I still get chills about it. Longlegs for me hits hard because, mainly, the first third. I also love stories that combine supernatural elements with normal elements, like crime. Those intersectional stories to me are my favorite. I certainly tried to channel them in Macabre, I love spy stories and heists and thrills, so you’ll see some of that blending here.
Martin: Finally, a little bonus question: your dedication is to Kat Howard and seems to hint at her novel, An Unkindness of Magicians, being part of The Macabre’s inspiration. Can you tell us a bit about how one informed the other?
Kosoko: I’m glad someone picked up on that! An Unkindness of Magicians is my favorite book of all time. It MADE me want to write adult fantasy. The way Kat describes magic usage, legacy, and balances so many characters? It feels so contained and perfect. I reread that book like once a year. It’s a masterclass and I adore Kat.[end-mark]
The Macabre is available now from Harper Voyager.
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