Oh my goodness this is hilarious…. Sec. of Commerce Howard Lutnick had Jesse Watters cracking up last night when he told him about the one lone man who tried to heckle him as he was speaking in Davos: Al Gore. How much of a loser do you have to be to literally try “booing” the sitting Commerce Secretary for doing an incredible job? It’s so bad it’s funny. Watch here: TRANSCRIPT: Jesse Watters: Was the guy that Gore was getting all worked up about. What happened, Mr. Secretary? Howard Lutnick: So, I wrote an op-ed in the FT, and it basically said that globalists, you know, offshoring all our manufacturing to cheap labor around the world had failed, and that the World Economic Forum was a failure. But I wrote that op-ed, and so at the end of this lefty, basically a very left set of talks where someone said we need a new form of capitalism, which I think is another way to say communism. And then they let me speak at the end. Then I gave a three-minute talk, and I just talked about my op-ed. And at the end of my talk, one person out of the 200 yelled out, “Boo.” So I look over and I’m like, “Who booed?” And it’s Al Gore. And I look at him, I go, “Really?” And he goes, “Boo.” And I’m like, it was the greatest honor of my trip to Davos. I mean, what’s better than Al Gore, incapable of discourse, incapable of anything. And you all remember that Al Gore told us that by today, in 2025, the whole ice cap would be gone and Greenland would be green. Now it’s red, white, and blue. So the joke’s on Al Gore. Jesse Watters: Exactly. I love it. So, Secretary, tell us, people who’ve never been to Davos, what’s it like? Is Newsom strolling around? Are there Europeans walking around with their chests puffed out? What’s the food like? Tell us about it. Howard Lutnick: Okay, so the way it works is you have 900 CEOs. They all come and they all talk to each other, and you get all these world leaders together, prime minister of everything, the foreign minister of everything, right? Senators. But when you’re waiting online, because there’s so many people, you know, the senator waits in the back of the line like everybody else. It’s sort of like, unless you’re with Donald Trump and in Trump’s cabinet, you’re just on the line, right? The food is very difficult. It’s very difficult. But what happens is everybody speaks to each other and no one says a darn thing. And they’ve got this whole globalist view that you want to make the world a better place, we gotta make the world a better place. And what that means is let’s take the richest country in the world and let’s pick them apart. Right? And so what’s happened is the United States of America is exporting 4% of our GDP growth to the rest of the world. And that was the deal, and that’s what Donald Trump called out. He said, “Stop this trade deficit. Stop it. We’re exporting to everybody else.” And as soon as we stopped and he put on tariffs, what happened? Imports went way down, our exports go way up, and our GDP, the growth of our economy, hits 4.3% in the third quarter, just like we said it would. And let me tell you, this quarter, the one we’re sitting in right now, we will have over 5%. So the world’s largest economy will be the fastest-growing economy in the whole wide world because Donald Trump said, “I’m sick and tired of exporting our growth to the rest of the world. Let’s bring it home.” “Let’s drive our employment, let’s drive our workers’ wages, let’s be the greatest economy in the world. And let’s let our workers win.” We’re teamed up. And that is exactly what’s happening for a huge boom in 2026 after everything was re-engineered and Bidenomics was put beneath the ground. Jesse Watters: So Newsom’s over there and he’s posturing. You know, he’s throwing around knee pads. You’re sitting there with the President of the United States. I mean, is he tolerating this? Are you guys laughing about this? What’s going on with this governor? Howard Lutnick: He’s literally laughing. I mean, he can’t believe it, right? I mean, you just can’t believe that this guy is gonna run for president and he’s actually commenting about sex toys and knee pads. I mean, you can’t believe it. It’s outrageously entertaining. And so the president just has to laugh because what else can you do? You’re not gonna just shake your head. He’s just cracking up going, “I can’t believe this guy.” I mean, I just can’t believe this. I wouldn’t be holding up a knee pad if I were running for president. I’d probably hold up anything except a knee pad. But, you know, Gavin’s California kitty does. Backup here if needed: This is hilarious After Howard Lutnick spoke in Davos, there was only one person who boo’d him in the audience. That one person was none other than Al Gore. “It was the greatest honor of my life… he is incapable of Discourse… and Remember, Al Gore told us by today, 2025… pic.twitter.com/fMa2XBLvW0 — MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) January 23, 2026 Al Gore is the forever-dork! What a loser! RELATED REPORT: WATCH: Howard Lutnick Shares What It’s Really Like Behind The Scenes With President Trump One year ago, when President Trump was first assembling his Cabinet and we were first meeting all of his top picks, I brought you a five part series of interviews conducted by the All-In podcast which did a truly fantastic job of doing long sit-down interviews with all the top picks and really showing us who these people were. I was so impressed I turned it into a five-part series starting with Howard Lutnick and I said at the time this is NOT a repeat of the Trump 1.0 Administration. There are no Mike Pences here. These are just trained killers in business, ready to work for the American people. Here was the first in the five-part series: If You Have ANY Doubt About ANYTHING In The Trump Administration, Watch This Right Now… Now one year later, more progress has been made than even I expected, and Howard Lutnick returned to the All-In podcast to sit down for a one-on-one interview with Chamath Palihapitiya, a venture capitalist and very successful entrepreneur in his own right, for a fascinating follow up conversation. He told story after story of what it's like being in the room with President Trump, giving many behind-the-scenes looks into several iconic moments of the last year. The stories are fascinating and often hilarious, like the time Howard fell asleep on the couch because he'd been up for 20-hours on that trip to Alaska to meet with Putin.  Meanwhile, Trump and Marco Rubio and Steve Wickoff are on a secure call with Zelesnky, and in the middle of the call President Trump unrolls a tootsie roll and throws it at Howard, waking him up, and Trump jokes with him saying "Howard, while you're napping, we're trying to settle world peace!" This all happens live on the call with Zelensky, no doubt with mics muted. Hilarious! It just shows the humanity of this Administration....All stone cold killers in business, at the highest possible ranks of success, and of them putting that aside to fall asleep on a couch after a 20-hour day and then joking around with each other while also trying to literally save the world. They're basically just like you or me with our best buddies, but they're also trying to save the world and save America along the way. In addition to all the stories, he also explains how President Trump THINKS and the stunning rate at which he processes information.  Also he specifically calls out President Trump's intuition as the best he's ever seen in anyone. Our President is truly a "monogenes"! And if you don't know what that means, read this: “Monogenes”: Has The Most Famous Bible Verse Of All Time Been Translated Wrong All This Time? Ok, now on with the interview. I enjoyed ever minute of this and I think you will too. And to the fellas over at All-In, well done!  Especially to Chamath on this one, perfect interview!  Keep them coming please! Watch here: FULL TRANSCRIPT: Howard Lutnick What was the feeling the first time you were on Air Force One? Or Marine One—like, is there a special thing where you're just like, “What is going on?” Like, are—yeah, yeah. When you're on these things, like, it's amazing. Yeah, right. You're where real conversations happen. We went to see Putin. So I get on Air Force One at 5:00 a.m. He gets on at 5:45. We fly to Alaska. Alaska, right? Okay. Right. So we're talking, and then we're there for four hours with Putin, and then we fly back. Now, Marco Rubio and Steve Witkoff go take a nap because we have to wait for Zelenskyy to wake up to call Zelenskyy, and we have to wait for the European leaders to wake up, right? Because it's the middle of the night. So I stay up with the president and we're just chatting. Like, we're just chatting, watching golf. I mean, it's a lot of hours. Yeah. So then Zelenskyy wakes up. They get on the phone with Zelenskyy, and he talks to Zelenskyy on his phone. Then when he calls the European leaders, when they get up, they want to have us-only secure calls. So there are three secure handsets in his office. He's on one, Rubio's on one, and Witkoff's on one. And I'm just sitting on the couch. This is in Air Force One. In Air Force One, in his office. So I'm just sitting on the couch, and I've been up for like 20 hours, okay? And the president's been up for 20 hours. But he's on the phone, and the European leaders are talking. So I'm just sitting there, and they're all on handsets, so I can't hear a word that anybody's saying. And I'm just sitting there. So I fall asleep. Okay. So I'm just sitting there, they're talking on the phone right there, and I fall asleep like this. So I'm like that. So Witkoff elbows the president, right? Points to me. And then the president unrolls a Tootsie Roll and tries to throw it into my mouth. He hits me in the face. I wake up. He goes, “Howard, while you're napping, we're trying to settle world peace.” That’s awesome. Chamath Palihapitiya Well, welcome everybody to the All-In interview. I'd like to welcome Secretary Howard Lutnick, our esteemed Secretary of Commerce. When we did the first interview with you, it was at the beginning of the administration. It was almost a year ago. And to be honest, it turned out to be one of the most popular things we've ever done. There's the Elon Musk view factor, but then there was the Howard Lutnick view factor, and they were pretty much side by side. It's great that you gave us a chance a year later to come back and talk to you. Let's just start with a general look back for you. How has the year gone? And specifically, I'd love to understand what surprised you as a businessman walking into the government. Howard Lutnick Overall, you know, I have a goal, which is I want to be the cabinet secretary who has the most fun. So I set out with that goal. And which means I am outcome-driven, right? I don't really buy into “I worked really hard and it failed.” If I worked really hard and it failed, it's a fail. If I got lucky and it all fell into place and I did nothing, it's still success. Because outcomes are what matter. You're not telling people how hard you worked and failed. So how you get things done in government is fascinating. It's just different. Most people who've ever been in government tend to be incremental. They come in, they say, “How did this work?” Someone explains how it worked, and they try to move the ball 10% forward. They don't really rethink it entirely. So my objective was to come into this department— which is an awesome, incredibly diverse department— and really think through its powers and possibilities, reimagine them, rethink them, hire people, and then mold those people to think outside the box. The first three months were really about getting people to think, “Can I really challenge this? Can I really do this?” And then convincing everyone around me that this is an okay way to do it. The way it was done yesterday isn't right. It was just what they did yesterday. You're not even saying it's wrong—you're saying it's not you. Chamath Palihapitiya Do you get the organ rejection, though, of career bureaucrats who think, “Wait a minute, Howard's out for my job,” or “This is a totally different way of doing things. I don't feel comfortable with this”? We hear a lot about this so-called deep state, career lifers who push back on radical change. Howard Lutnick Well, look, in the beginning we cut about 20%. I walked in the door with 52,000 people in this department, and now there are 40,000 people. If you're going to cut 12,000 people, you have to do it fast so everybody understands the next shoe is not dropping tomorrow. We found programs started in 1978 and asked, “Why are we doing this now?” We had advanced manufacturing programs started in 1986— what were they doing as advanced manufacturing 40 years ago versus now? So we did that quickly. Then I met every bureau, held town halls, went to offices, and told them where we were going, what we were doing, and why. What I learned is government people are narrow experts. They’re amazing at their specific topic. There are no generalists—just deep specialists. Your job as secretary is to weave that blanket together so these specialists succeed. When you give them tasks that maximize their capacity, they get jazzed. I'm getting amazing output from this department because they're jazzed—someone appreciates their capacity and drives it to success. Chamath Palihapitiya It might be useful for the audience if you gave an overview of the scope of the Commerce Department, because it’s incredibly vast. Howard Lutnick Tariffs—there are two types. General tariffs are in front of the Supreme Court. Sector-specific tariffs are handled in this building, through BIS, the Bureau of Industry and Security. That includes export controls. We don’t want to sell our best chips to adversaries. They have guns and badges, by the way. They control auto tariffs, steel tariffs, pharmaceuticals— which has been insanely successful at driving prices down. Then you have ITA, which advocates for business. We help companies sell things around the world. We help states bring in business to build and grow here. We help companies with permits, whatever they need to grow American jobs. Then NTIA—telecommunications, spectrum, 6G. Inside that, the Center for AI Advancement. When a model like DeepSeek comes out, we study it deeply and publish real comparisons—not hype. We publish GDP. We use the Census, automated through APIs. And yes, we put GDP on the blockchain. Why not? We have the Patent Office—intellectual property matters. We have NOAA—oceans, atmosphere, space commerce. I moved space commerce into my office to rethink commercial satellites. Chamath Palihapitiya Let’s go back to tariffs. Bring us into the room leading into April 2nd. Howard Lutnick Donald Trump has talked about tariffs for decades. He believes the trade deficit is a ripoff of America. People say, “You have a trade deficit with the supermarket.” That’s silly. Imagine two islands: one invents, one produces. The producer eventually owns the inventor. In 1985, we owned $148 billion more of the world than they owned of us. By 2024, they owned $26 trillion more of us than we owned of them. We became employees of the producers of what we invented. So Trump says, “We’re getting ripped off. We need to fix it.” Balance means owning at least as much of them as they own of us. That’s the north star. Countries say, “Don’t tariff us—we’ll invest.” I say, “You’re buying us.” Build it here, sell it here—or pay for the privilege. Chamath Palihapitiya How did you set the rates? Howard Lutnick The debate was universal tariffs versus country-specific tariffs. Universal is easy. Country-specific is harder but smarter. He couldn’t do it in his first term— he didn’t have believers around him. This time, he did. Howard Lutnick Japan was fascinating. 94% of cars in Japan are Japanese. So we said, “25% tariff.” They said they couldn’t do it. Their system relies on government-subsidized suppliers that can’t relocate. So we negotiated down to 15%. Then came the $550 billion financing deal. Japan funds American projects—nuclear, infrastructure. They’re the LP, we’re the GP. They get paid back with interest. After that, profits are split 90% to America, 10% to Japan. Japan breaks even. America makes $650 billion. That money goes to Treasury. It reduces deficits and taxes. Howard Lutnick Pharmaceuticals—America pays for the world. We pay $1,000; Europe pays $175. Trump demanded MFN pricing—most favored nation. Same price for us as everyone else. I had 232 tariffs. I was the hammer. The result? Drugs like Ozempic and Mounjaro on Medicare for $149. Some companies gave drugs for free. We saved $25–35 billion a year. More importantly, drugs became accessible. Howard Lutnick Immigration—open borders worked when America gave nothing. You can’t have open borders with a welfare state. The Trump Card requires proving benefit to America. Pay $1 million, get vetted, contribute. We sold over a billion dollars’ worth in the first week. Howard Lutnick On fraud—we’re going after it. Trillion dollars a year. Commerce, HHS, Treasury working together. We’ll use technology to match data and find abuse. This will be big. Howard Lutnick GDP—this year, we hit 4.3%. Shutdowns distort GDP. Next year, you’ll see fives. With rate cuts, sixes. Six percent GDP on a $30 trillion economy is $1.5 trillion in growth. That’s jobs, wages, opportunity. That’s not inflation—that’s growth. Howard Lutnick CHIPS Act—Biden gave handouts. Trump said, “I’ll tariff you 100%.” TSMC expanded from $60 billion to $165 billion. No giveaways—leverage. Nvidia—Jensen Huang made his case. Trump said, “Fine—but give me 25%.” We test chips here, license exports, collect tariffs. Howard Lutnick We can fix Social Security without taking anything away. Use outside money—tariffs, equity stakes, fraud recovery. We’re the richest country in the world. If we run it smart, we can do it all. That’s why this job is fun. I’m in the room where it happens. Chamath Palihapitiya Final question—from Brandon L in New York: “Who is your favorite child?” Howard Lutnick I have four kids. My son Brandon used to sign birthday cards, “Your fourth favorite.” Whenever another kid messed up, he’d run in yelling “Third!” and run out. I have the best wife—31 years married. Great kids. Close family. I go where my kids want to go on vacation because I want them with me. I was successful in business. I divested everything to serve. Donald Trump understands business. This cabinet is impressive. You’re going to see great things in year two. Chamath Palihapitiya Howard Lutnick, thank you for joining All-In. Howard Lutnick Thank you.

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